
A Caney Creek High School dad is fired up because the Conroe Independent School District uses the book "Fahrenheit 451" as classroom reading material.Alton Verm, of Conroe, objects to the language and content in the book. His 15-year-old daughter Diana, a CCHS sophomore, came to him Sept. 21 with her reservations about reading the book because of its language."The book had a bunch of very bad language in it," Diana Verm said. "It shouldn't be in there because it's offending people. ... If they can't find a book that uses clean words, they shouldn't have a book at all."Alton Verm filed a "Request for Reconsideration of Instructional Materials" Thursday with the district regarding "Fahrenheit 451," written by Ray Bradbury and published in 1953. He wants the district to remove the book from the curriculum."It's just all kinds of filth," said Alton Verm, adding that he had not read "Fahrenheit 451." "The words don't need to be brought out in class. I want to get the book taken out of the class."
Never read it and wants it removed from the classroom. You, Mr Berm, deserve some kind of prize.
references to the Bible and using God's name in vain.
What people don't understand is that saying o my god isn't using the lord's name in vain. Here is a quote from this page explaining what it really means.
I got out my Evangelical Commentary of the Bible and took a look at what it had to say about his. Under this particular commandment I read this, "This relates to invoking God's name in an oath and then not fulfilling this vow. It's clear that God expects Israel to use His name in oaths provided the people faithfully execute what has been promised." Then it makes a reference to Jeremiah 4:2 where it says, "And you will swear, 'As the Lord lives,' in truth, in justice, and in righteousness; then the nations will bless themselves in Him, and in Him they will glory." Apparently the point that is being made here, and I've heard this before from a number of different sources, is that what this commandment is really about is making an oath and then keeping the oath. In other words, making a pledge in God's name and then keeping it. If you swear by God and then break the oath then you're defaming God's name in some fashion. So it doesn't seem from what is said in the Evangelical Commentary of the Bible that this is talking about simply using God's name frivolously, i.e. "my god" or "oh god."
That being said this is one of the most ludicrous articles articles I have ever read. I read Fahrenheit 451 Freshman year and I don't remember anything even mildly inappropriate from it and I think I would because it is always a big deal in class if a book has a "dirty word". Last year (senior) I read The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien (which I strongly recommend to everyone). It had plenty of @!$%#s and @!$%#s and some words I had never even heard of before but it is the best war book I've ever read and it has great content (can't think of the word I want). Anyways I think people put too much emphasis on bad words because we all have to deal with them at some point and they are a part of life. Just because a book has what some believe to be bad words doesn't mean it can't teach you anything. They even say damn in the Harry Potter series (then again Harry Potter is the devil so maybe that is a bad example). The point is the girl should have just been content reading a different book and not felt the need to complain. If they had forced her to read the book then their complaint may be more reasonable but she had another option so I don't see what the problem is.
I don't have it in me to read this entire thread of comments, so please forgive me if this has been said.
Does anyone see the irony of attempting to ban a book about the destruction of books?
I am paraphrasing here, and I hope he will forgive me, but the man who just recently published the biography of Ray Bradbury is a teacher of mine (and it's a fantastic biography, go read it!). His name is Sam Weller, and he would tell us all that the thing that people are afraid of in books is not "bad words" or taking the Lord's name in vain, it is ideas. The books that make us think are the ones most often banned. The books that expand our horizons and lead us in directions we might not otherwise have gone are the ones that frighten people like this parent.
Of course, he's never read it, so obviously he knows what he's talking about.
It's amazing to me that a book written in the 50's is still so unbelievably relevant now, and it really speaks to what an amazing book it is, and what an amazing writer Ray Bradbury is.
If you haven't ever read it, or haven't read it in a while, it's actually very short, and well worth the read or re-read.
On a side note, I have read Fahrenheit 451 to my children, ages 11 and 9.
I just re-read the article and caught this sweet little bit:
Alton Verm's request to ban "Fahrenheit 451" came during the 25th annual Banned Books Week. He and Hines said the request to ban "Fahrenheit 451," a book about book burning, during Banned Books Weeks is a coincidence.
And a helluva coincidence it is.
"It's just all kinds of filth," said Alton Verm, adding that he had not read "Fahrenheit 451."
Wow... as in TOTALLY-TEXAS.
I have a great idea! Let's just do away with all dem darn books here in Teksus and git all ya'll (only state I know of to have a double plural) some more of dat chicken fried steak and sweet milk gravy. Eeewww, and more fried stuff like fried chicken, fried catfish, fried shrimp, fried okra, French fries, and ya-da-ya-da-ya-da. Then while we are drinking our diet Cokes, we can watch some more video games and maybe go out and shoot something...deer season is coming real soon. Oh, and how about a little frog gigging for evening entertainment? This is very educational and also a great way to get your kids out of the house. You must keep them busy or they may be tempted to read a filthy book! Hmmmm, did I forget to mention fried frog legs above?
If it is not a video game, a movie or on television, most kids really aren't interested anyway, so why even bother burning the books. Jeeezzz…save the matches and the environment people.
Are you honestly being this ignorant and stereotyping in a topic about tolerance?
I'm just as tired of this stuff as you, but honestly, you realize that idiots migrate, right? We have a nice peppering of morons in the United States. They aren't all concentrated.
Also, for the record, it's just "y'all." No double plural, skipper.
Also, for the record, it's just "y'all." No double plural, skipper.
Nope, it's all ya'll.
Thanks, Gwenny. It is obvious someone (Vicille) has not done their "homework". I have heard it said on many occasions - and all ya'll is definitely a double plural. And, Vicille... just for the record, the name is not skipper... it is Nancy.
Example (when speaking to 2 or more people): How 'bout all ya'll comin' over to Billy Bob's house for sum bar-b-que cuz Bubba is bringin' the beer. Just for future reference ya'll means "you all"... add all to the mix and you have A DOUBLE PLURAL!
Believe me, I have plenty of knowledge on migration! I was born and raised in Houston and most people that live in this area are not from Texas at all. But some people out there seem to have lot's of knowledge on the subject...but that is not even what this article is about. It is about more extremists trying to nothing more than bring a little attention to themselves. There are plenty of idiots out there, not only in Texas.
Great Goddess, I love Newsvine.
Gotta luv ya, Ardith...
Well, bless your little 'ole heart. Are you sho you aint from the South, honey?
Ya'll come back, now,
Nance
Some Texas Wisdom for ya:
1. Never slap a man who's chewin' tobacco.
2. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back in.
3. If you're ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there.
4. If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' somebody else's dog around. I particularly like this one...
5. Never kick a cow chip on a hot day.
6. There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works.
7. If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'.
8. Don't squat with your spurs on.
9. Always drink upstream from the herd.
10. Never miss a good chance to shut up.
None of this is related to this topic, but I just couldn't help myself...
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Totally awesome. . consider it snagged. Got an attribution or is this more from the most prolific writer of all time, anonymous?
NC Kemp --
some more of dat chicken fried steak and sweet milk gravy. Eeewww, and more fried stuff like fried chicken, fried catfish, fried shrimp, fried okra, French fries,
Now I'm hungry!
Totally awesome. . consider it snagged. Got an attribution or is this more from the most prolific writer of all time, anonymous?
The ascription is unknown to me, but there are so many Texan colloquialisms it is really hard to say. I have more if anyone is interested. Urgggg
NC Kemp --
some more of dat chicken fried steak and sweet milk gravy. Eeewww, and more fried stuff like fried chicken, fried catfish, fried shrimp, fried okra, French fries,
Now I'm hungry!
Me too... I'm so hungry my belly button is gnawing on my backbone. That's another colloquialism, if you didn't notice.
The ascription is unknown to me, but there are so many Texan colloquialisms it is really hard to say. I have more if anyone is interested. Urgggg
As an avid collector of taglines, even if I don't have a mail reader that really support random taglines anymore, fire away, dude.
As an avid collector of taglines, even if I don't have a mail reader that really support random taglines anymore, fire away, dude.
Let me see what I can do for you. And, I guess I better get a profile up w/ a pic soon. I've been called skipper and now dude. Is this a compliment?
Dudess,
Nancy
Let me see what I can do for you. And, I guess I better get a profile up w/ a pic soon. I've been called skipper and now dude. Is this a compliment?
Dudess,
Nancy
Dude is the new "guys". :) But I hear you. Can't tell you have often I get whispered in World of Warcraft and I either answer a question or give aid in some way and the teenager says, "Thanks, man." I keep threatening to make a macro that says, "That's granny to you, kid."
Can't tell you have often I get whispered in World of Warcraft and I either answer a question or give aid in some way and the teenager says, "Thanks, man." I keep threatening to make a macro that says, "That's granny to you, kid."
Know the feeling well. I guess I need to get out more as I did not have a clue. It probably shows that I am the new kid on the block here, but I promise I will have this Newsvine thing down to a science real soon. Really...I am usually a pretty quick study, lol. But, as for the teenager thing, I call everyone under 35 a kid.
Love the list. There's a great CD with a gag routine about how to tell which cowboy in a pickup truck is a new cowboy. ;}
At first, I got referred to as a "he," too. Had to set that straight. :)
What CD and where did you get it? I'd love to see it! And, I am of the mindset in this still good ole boyz world (around here anyway) that being referred to as a guy is really a compliment, ladies.
Now, if I can only remember - did I hit the reply button first before clicking on Post Comment? I am so bad I scare myself sometime.
how to tell which cowboy in a pickup truck is a new cowboy. ;}
As I recall, and this refer to almost any rural work the uses a truck, it's the one that sits in the passenger seat. :)
As I recall, and this refer to almost any rural work the uses a truck, it's the one that sits in the passenger seat. :)
Then where does his dawg sit? In the back, maybe?
Then where does his dawg sit? In the back, maybe?
Depends? Are we talking Texas or Montana and is it summer or winter. LOL
I had heard a joke that was a version of this:
How do you tell a real cowboy when there are three cowboys riding in a truck?
That is very easy, for the real cowboy will be the one in the middle. For he don't have to drive, and he don't have to get out and open the gates.
You are right Gwenny. I guess it is all perceptual. Texas in the summer could be one of 2 ways. If the truck has A/C, then it's up front...if not, definitely in the back (with sunscreen, of course). Especially if the dawg is fair complected.
I can't comment on Montana, as I have never been there. But, I can only imagine that the winters are brutal, so we just need to reverse my comment above...
he has control of the radio! ;}
Dem fightin' words, mamm! And, I want to ride shotgun! Especially if there's no a/c. Fight the dawg for it too.
Yep, Gwenny, the one in the middle doesn't have to drive, get out to open the gates, and he has control of the radio! ;}
Works the same on farms.
There is just layer upon layer of irony with this.
The protagonist in the book sets about memorising parts of the bibles he is tasked with burning because he recognises the content is too important to humanity to lose.
This story just made Olberman's Worst Person in the World List at Number 1.
ok, I just finished reading the book (quick read, only took about an hour and a half with interruptions) and want to address this guy's complaints. if you haven't read the book, i suppose some of my comments could be considered spoilers, but it's not like you didn't know the idea anyway.
his issues:
discussion of being drunk, smoking cigarettes, violence, "dirty talk," references to the Bible and using God's name in vain
I really don't understand how he can seriously object to this book. i can't imagine what he'd think if he'd actually read it instead of just trying to get it banned. think he'd recognize the irony?
Wow! Excellent. Thanks for your work!
Since violence offends this man, I'm assuming that he's out marching in a protest in the war against Iraq?
No, I doubt that one, Ardith. But I do believe that deer season (or maybe it is dove season) is coming to a town near him soon...somewhere in Texas anyway. You can bet he's looking to nab a nice size buck or doe to brag to his buddies about.
"dirty talk" -- what? how so? again, verm, take a listen outside. if you don't hear the words "damn" and/or "hell" at least once in the next three minutes, then i owe you a dime. i dont know what other "dirty talk" they could possibly be talking about, I certainly didn't notice any.
What were the curse words again, tigerblade ? I'm sorry to say that I have not read the book. But, doesn't prime time television have some pretty bad language these days? I wonder if the family watches TV. PROBABLY.
oh, the language used in the book is nothing compared to what's heard on primetime television. just now I glanced back through the book to check, and really the only curse words I could find are "damn" and "hell."
there's a few uses of "oh God" or "sweet Christ" spattered throughout the book, but nothing to take offense at.
I glanced back through the book to check, and really the only curse words I could find are "damn" and "hell."
Hell, there goes 'Gone With the Wind', then. Damn, I really liked that book.
But "damn" is what the Devil does and "hell" is where he sends you.
Some people live blinded by the world, others prefer to live blinded from the world....
It's these same people who are feeding the government and their movement to restrict free speech and our other rights, and they don't even realize it...
But "damn" is what the Devil does and "hell" is where he sends you.
I was born intelligent - eucation ruined me. Huh?
I glanced back through the book to check, and really the only curse words I could find are "damn" and "hell."
I repeat: "damn" is what the Devil does and "hell" is where he sends you. The Devil is Evil, and we can't have his work anywhere near good Christian children, lest he seduce them into doing his work, thereby damning them to hell.
:P
I repeat: "damn" is what the Devil does and "hell" is where he sends you. The Devil is Evil, and we can't have his work anywhere near good Christian children, lest he seduce them into doing his work, thereby damning them to hell.
Wow. Really? Wow. I have officially lost my ability to speak at this moment. Wow.
I repeat: "damn" is what the Devil does and "hell" is where he sends you. The Devil is Evil, and we can't have his work anywhere near good Christian children, lest he seduce them into doing his work, thereby damning them to hell.
You're kidding, right?
Well duh. Hey, uh, could you try to confine our conversation to one comment box please?
Well duh. Hey, uh, could you try to confine our conversation to one comment box please?
So terribly sorry, oh mighty one. I humble myself before you.
Well duh. Hey, uh, could you try to confine our conversation to one comment box please?
stolte-sawa -
Did you notice that it is a full moon tonight? I had a feeling it might be, as so many people are cranky today. They are barking at cars and their drivers too!
Anyway, I must admit that I am new to Newsvine, but I will definitely have the mechanics down to a science before you know it.
Oooopps. I think there are now 2 replies to one comment box. NOOOOOOO!!! Jeeeezzzz....can somebody pleezzzz help me? Oh God, I just said Jeeeezzzz (and oh God). My neighbors in Porter or Conroe (or wherever) are sure to hear about this and hang me from a tree somewhere! I'm a bad, bad girl and definitely going to Hell (in a hand basket).
Now maybe you can understand a bit better why I asked if you were kidding. Around the "Bible Belt" you just never know. And that's the honest to God truth!
Nancy
We're reading fahrenheit in class and I don't find any of the language offencive. Infact, book banning sucks.
Someone go kill whoever invented it.
haha you guys are gay its a book calm the F**k down damn
calm down every one its justa book!!!!! DAMN
And this is why the phrases "Cave hominem unius libri" and "Hominem unius libri timeo" may well be the most eloquent explanations of this phenomena ever written, even if they were originally intended in almost precisely the opposite sense.
Wasn't Farenheit 451 written in the 60's? I think we should have some sort of mandate that says if a literary work has been deemed acceptable classroom material for at least the past 10 years, it can't be revoked as "inappropriate."
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