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President Bush Makes A Little Girl Cry
News Type: Event — Seeded on Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:04 PM EDT
Article Source: The Washington Timesadvertisement
A question for President Bush on immigration rose up like a ghost from the grave this afternoon in Ohio.
Only the questioner was a 13-year old blonde-headed girl, Jessica Hackerd, from Brecksville, Ohio, who immediately broke into tears after making her inquiry.
"Mr. President, I know immigration has been a big problem in the U.S. And what is your next step with the immigration bill?" Jessica asked Mr. Bush, during a question and answer period after a speech Mr. Bush gave to a Cleveland business group.
Mr. Bush's sarcastic reply -- a wry "yeah, thanks" -- drew laughter from the crowd of 400. But the attention caused young Jessica, who characterized herself in an interview afterward as very shy, to immediately tear up.
Jessica, in the interview, said that she was crying because she was so nervous.
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{"commentId":857295,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Way to go Mr. Bush -- drive a little girl to tears. I'm sure your press handlers loved you for that one.
{"commentId":857295,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 23 votes
#1 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:06 PM EDT{"commentId":859168,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
The synth music overlay really makes that clip TIO. Nice.
{"commentId":859168,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":859799,"authorDomain":"collin"}
LMAO, nice video Incredulous One. I love how American Idol placed her there intentionally because they saw how over emotional that girl was. Lets exploit some little girl who has obvious issues that go beyond Sanjaya..
Anyways, We're blaming Bush now for some little girls issues with shyness now? Geez. I actually liked Bushes answer on that question mostly and he got quite a bit of applause by his conviction that we should deal with the hard issues like this now rather then leave it for the next generation.
Actually I would have liked him to point out this underclass caused by illegal immigrants. It's obsurd and pisses me off really that our country can fight for everyone to have equal rights and yet people slip into the country and are forced to live like they are less than human. I believe that we should open our doors to our neighbors and let them come and go as they damn well please. But the trade off is I want anyone crossing illegally and undocumented to be shot on site by randomly positioned snipers and autonomous undiscriminating robotic guns disguised as deers.
To harsh? Well point is there is nothing we can do to stop a determined person who is trying to provide for their family and who would want to stop them anyways? It would be better to have those people entering legally because then you would know border runners are people who we don't want in the country and are trying to bypass normal channels because they are known criminals or whatever other reason.
Actually the robot border patrol idea could still work, just train the AI to shoot knee caps. No need to kill them.. See? Problem = Solution!
{"commentId":859799,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"collin"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":860241,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, the political hack, yet again leave the impression that Bush the insensitive bully slapped some girl to make her cry. What Killfile, the political hack, left out is:
"No, it's a great question. No, I appreciate that," Mr. Bush said, as he saw Jessica's reaction.
which is immediately the next line after the one where Killfile, the political hack, decided to cut the quote from.
And then he also didn't mention:
Mr. Bush went on to speak more than 1,100 words about the death of his proposed comprehensive immigration reform, which was a heavy blow when it fell apart last month.
But Jessica, there with her parents and younger sister, continued to wipe tears from her eyes for several minutes, and midway through his answer, Mr. Bush again tried to encourage the distraught youngster without drawing too much attention to her.
"It's a great question by the way, and I'm glad you asked it," Mr. Bush said.
But when the president finished taking questions, an aide immediately went to Jessica and took her backstage.
After Mr. Bush had finished shaking hands for over 10 minutes, he met with Jessica and her family.
"He said it was really brave of me to do that and he said he probably wouldn't have been able to do that," Jessica said. "And he said it was the first time anybody had asked him about [immigration] since it happened."
You, Killfile the political hack, are a political hack.
{"commentId":860241,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 13 votes
{"commentId":860248,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, the political hack, yet again leave the impression that Bush the insensitive bully slapped some girl to make her cry.
Actually, Killfile, the political hack, never before suggested that Bush made girls cry... at least to my knowledge. He has, however, told stories in a clearly biased way with a clear political purpose.
{"commentId":860248,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":860517,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
As have you NikitaB, and TIO, and everyone else in our politics section.
I'm open and honest about my viewpoints. People know what they're getting here and there is no deception made. Yes. I'm a liberal. I tend to see things from a liberal perspective. I tend to cover things from a liberal perspective -- certainly political issues.
Complaints about my personal political slant, particularly complaints that judge me to have betrayed some sacred trust ring very hollow coming from my own partisan opponents, particularly given the reception endorsements of the Fairness Doctrine got from many of you.
I'm a political opinion writer. I do some breaking news and some other analysis from time to time and in that I do try to be as unpartizan and unbiased as I can be. But to assume that my column should always be free of my own opinion is absurd.
Particularly when you're latching onto a story that was, from the very outset, intended more as a joke than anything else.
I mean come on -- it's not like this is policy critical to the welfare of the nation. It's a stump stop in Cleveland. Better that I satirize the Times' coverage of that than something legitimate and serious.
{"commentId":860517,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":860993,"authorDomain":"bonosrama"}
The fact is he made her cry; no matter how he tried to make it better later, he made her cry.
FACT.
{"commentId":860993,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"bonosrama"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861120,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Killfile, no one expects you not to insert your own opinion into the mix. What I do expect is that you not insert spin and lies into the mix. When you do that it makes you just like Michael Moore your explanation above sounds like something straight from his mouth.
{"commentId":861120,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":861124,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
boons
it is NOT a fact that Bush made her cry. That's the whole point. She, by her very own admission for Christ's sake, cried because she was nervous, she is an extremely shy girl. Bush did NOT make her cry, but he did try to console her afterwards. So stop with your baseless attacks and lies.
{"commentId":861124,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":861510,"authorDomain":"basseq"}
It's best to sit back and enjoy the freak show if you ask me.
This is why Bartleby is on my friends list. Conservative (read: rational moderate) scum, band together!
{"commentId":861510,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"basseq"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":861778,"authorDomain":"Teri"}
KF you need to post all of the article. not just bits that you like that bash the president!
{"commentId":861778,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"Teri"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":862156,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
No, that's copyright infringement.
{"commentId":862156,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":862498,"authorDomain":"basseq"}
I prefer to be called a classical liberal.
You'll take conservative scum and like it.
{"commentId":862498,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"basseq"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":862847,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":863484,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
I prefer the double scum, half skim, meseff.
{"commentId":863484,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":863741,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Bartleby, finally someone who understands the difference between classical liberalism of Jefferson's day and the social liberalism of today. I've been fighting this fight for awhile now. I actually had someone a couple days ago, quote Jefferson using the term "liberalism" to prove that the founding fathers believed in such things as universal health care. and these people call themselves educated.
{"commentId":863741,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":863777,"authorDomain":"kyleb"}
Where'd you see that, Phaedrus? That'd be a kick to see.
{"commentId":863777,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"kyleb"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":866411,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, you are not a political writer, you are a partisan hack. There is a difference. The first seeks truth and has a position on certain subjects. The second writes propaganda knowingly detaching it from reality.
Show me a single article where I purposefully and knowingly twisted information in a way that you do on a regular basis.
NEVER have I written something with purpose of vilifying the left by leaving out information.
{"commentId":866411,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":866548,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":866746,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
If you were him, he'd have much bigger problems.
{"commentId":866746,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":867070,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
B, considering I've already had my spat with Mike D., Calvin, etc. over the Koozebane ban, I think I am already pretty much damned. Nothing to lose. And if Killfile is what Newsvine is all about (and he was at the top of the leaderboard last I checked) with his clear propaganda-style writing, NV has major problems.
{"commentId":867070,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":868424,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
The second writes propaganda knowingly detaching it from reality.... NEVER have I written something with purpose of vilifying the left by leaving out information.
Neither have I. Nor have I "vilified" the right by leaving information out.
I poked fun at Bush -- yes. I've seeded some fairly one sided stuff on a number of issues -- yes. That's not the same thing as creating the propaganda you've accused me of creating. I'll acknowledge that some of the things I've put out there speak to one side of the issue. There's nothing wrong with that. There are certainly more than enough sources speaking to the other side of those same issues.
I provide a perspective and I provide a level of analysis. I make no claim to be a complete news source and anyone who assumes that I constitute such is woefully misinformed.
You point back to a censored video I seeded in which the Israeli army says and does some very questionable things in the course of a raid. Now admittedly there was more to the story than that, and that came out in the discussion, but you have some real nerve accusing me of writing propaganda.
I'd be stunned if you could point to any one of my 160 articles here on Newsvine that constitute such. I'd be further stunned if you can point to anywhere in any of my more than 2000 seeds where I've prevented open discussion of seeded material.
If I've written propaganda, show me where it is.
If I've seeded propaganda, show me where I've prevented others from identifying it as such.
If you can do neither I think I'm owed an apology.
{"commentId":868424,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":868646,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":868842,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, you can't prevent because NV, thankfully, keeps censorship out of the picture for the most part. So your claiming you allow free discussion is irrelevant because you are not in a position to stifle it.
As for propaganda, I think these two articles should suffice - I haven't followed you specifically because I found the level of bias disgusting. The Israeli article is just one of the better examples. It was completely taken out of context both in time and subject. If it wasn't for Yaakov's response, you would have simply perpetuated anti-semitism because most people are not familiar with subject matter.
To call what you give as analysis is to insult logic. Especially considering that you are an intelligent individual - you know what you leave out, you know that you are twisting information - and that's the worst kind of people. There are those who write stupid things because they are stupid and that's sad. And then there are those like you, who know what they are doing and still engage in misinformation and that's the lowest behavior possible.
Your purpose is not to help, your purpose is to mobilize crowds against Bush. Or to gain attention through such a technique. And that I find disgusting.
{"commentId":868842,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":868850,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
is irrelevant because you are not in a position to stifle it.
I bet to differ on this one point. There are some around here who just love to delete comments whenever they disagree with them or whenever they ask tough questions. That is the equivalent of stifling debate.
{"commentId":868850,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":869078,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
I'm more than capable of preventing discussion of whatever I see fit and Newsvine has proven that if that is an author's wish they will support it.
As for propaganda, I think these two articles should suffice - I haven't followed you specifically because I found the level of bias disgusting. The Israeli article is just one of the better examples. It was completely taken out of context both in time and subject.
Pay closer attention. I said point me to an article I've written that's propaganda. It's entirely possible that I've seeded something that was intended as propaganda. Indeed, that is the surest and most effective way to counter propaganda -- discuss and expose it. A seed is a way of saying "this is interesting." It may not be interesting for reasons that you personally agree with, but that's why we have discussion.
The Israeli article is just one of the better examples. It was completely taken out of context both in time and subject. If it wasn't for Yaakov's response, you would have simply perpetuated anti-semitism because most people are not familiar with subject matter.
If you want to talk about propaganda ladies and gentlemen, look no further than this. Antisemitism? Really? Now who's twisting words and omitting facts? How dare you accuse me of antisemitism? How dare you intentionally paint me with the brush of bigotry and racial hatred by intentionally leaving out the distinction -- and important distinction -- between the state of Israel as a political entity and the Jewish people as a religious group?
How dare you?
How dare you slander my attempts to discuss and explore political issues as one-sided in the same breath as you lump me in with the likes of Hitler? How dare you accuse me racism and religious intolerance for questioning the policies of the state of Israel and then turn around and claim it is me seeking to engage in misinformation
.
Yes Nikitab, let's talk about an "insult logic" and "twisting information" and "the lowest behavior possible."
{"commentId":869078,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":869531,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, how dare I call you a racist bigot? Well, I didn't want to use those words, but... uhm.. well, since you said it, yes, I do think you are one because that is what your actions indicate and your seeding and writing is, sadly, the only thing thing I have to comment on.
Also, while I am glad you engage in propaganda through seeding, I'd like to correct you: you don't seed propaganda - you seed material AS propaganda manipulating the content, which is your decision.
Also, I do not make a large distinction between seeding material and writing material. But, if you insist, I think this piece is a pretty good one:
In you wrote about a technical definition of rockets thereby establishing your credibility concluded with a diatribe on how Israel is indiscriminately slaughtering civillians. To quote:
Israel is right to defend herself. Neither I nor any other proponent of the International System begrudge her that privilege. Her choices in this matter, however, demonstrate a tactical laziness and a contempt for human life that staggers the imagination. Israel and her people have suffered greatly over the course of centuries, but their suffering does not excuse their infliction of suffering upon others, nor do the deaths of Israeli's innocents justify the slaughter of other innocents of other faiths and creeds. The International Community must hold Israel accountable for the decisions she has made in this conflict and seek to bring about an immediate cease fire. We can start by being honest with ourselves about the capabilities of one of the most advanced and well funded militaries in the world and the capabilities of Hezbollah's "rockets."
Why is this anti-semitic propaganda? Because you leave out the part where Israel tries to minimize civillian casualties, which is evidenced by reality.
Phaedrus, NV intervenes on a regular basis if authors moderate their columns inappropriately restoring commentary.
{"commentId":869531,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":869534,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Correction: while I am glad you admit that you engage in propaganda...
{"commentId":869534,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":869541,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
It looks like I messed up HTML link to your propaganda article. Here it is: http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/04/312499-the-rockets-of-hezbollah
{"commentId":869541,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":869613,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Nikitab, I'm going to excuse you because it's apparent that you don't understand what "anti-semitic" means. In the future, it would be better if you didn't accuse people of hating an entire religious group without understanding what you're saying.
Let me try to clear this up for you.
Israel and The Jewish People Aren't The Same Thing
This kind of key. Antisemistism means you have a problem with Jewish people (or more accurately Semites... but we'll waive that distinction). Anti-Zionism means you don't think the state of Israel should exist as a political entity. While some might claim that you can be Anti-Zionist without being Antisemitic that's not even the topic of this discussion. I simply have a problem with some of the things that the government of Israel has done. I think Israel should continue to exist but that it doesn't have a realistic response to some of its external threats.
That's not Anti-Zionist. It's certainly not Antisemitic.
Just because Israel is a Jewish state and hating Jewish people is Antisemitism doesn't mean that every critic of Israeli policy is an Anti-Semite. In fact, in critiquing Israel's policies rather than dismissing her as a legitimate state actor I have endorsed Zionism and proved myself not only a Zionist but also a strong ally of Israel.
I just want her to have a somewhat more realistic policy in dealing with Hezbolah. What she was doing wasn't terribly bright or effective.
That's not propaganda. That's analysis.
If you disagree with it, that's fine. But calling me an Anti-Semite for it... that's propaganda.
{"commentId":869613,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":869810,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":869871,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, another example of propaganda that you engaged in and my calling you on it at http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2006/03/06/122987-the-ideology-of-empire.
As far as Israel and anti-semitism, you don't just disagree with their policies - you misconstrue reality so as to vilify them with clear knowledge that you are doing so. To me blind vilification of a Jewish state is anti-semitic. Is it because you hate Jews? Perhaps not. But you surely make that impression as I do not see another way to explain your behavior and that is the effect you are going for.
There is a sane way to criticize policies and there is the anti-semitic way. You routinely choose the latter path.
{"commentId":869871,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":869904,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Nikita, you're still grossly misusing the word "antisemitic" and "propaganda" to boot. If you can't at least be polite enough in you criticism of me to avoid liable I'll have to ask you to stop commenting.
You raised some good points in The Ideology of Empire but, again, by "propaganda" you seem to mean "things I disagree with."
{"commentId":869904,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":871672,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Killfile, if someone spits in my face, I am not going to be polite. And you do just that in how you seed and what you write, so I will be blunt. I will also not stop commenting - when there is propaganda and twisting for the sort that you engage in, I do not intend to leave it unnoticed and I will, so long as you engage in these ugly practices, comment very aggressively making the readers aware of who you are and what you write. If you feel it is a violation of the CoH, you can try deleting my comments and seeing if NewsVine would side with you on whether my style of criticism is acceptable.
As far as antisemitism, you are attempting to hide behind semantics, which won't work. Any reader with half-a-brain should be able to recognize that your writing is so clearly and heavily biased that it becomes propaganda and your vilification of Israel so aggressive that it leaves little doubt as to it being anti-semitic rather than political commentary.
{"commentId":871672,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":871797,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
I've certainly written so peices that are critical of Isreal but I've never once championed the disolution of the state to say nothing of advocating the subjugation or repression of its citizens.
You're welcome to critique my work, but calling me anti-semetic is over the line. It's inaccurate. It's inflamitory. It's, at this point, intentional.
You're pointing to me and screaming something that's functionally not dissimilar from "racist" or "Nazi" or "bigot." I won't tolerate it. Period.
{"commentId":871797,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
{"commentId":872391,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
If you engage in what I percieve as a racist behavior, I guess it is up to NV or the community to make the judgement as to who is right. Your verbally claiming moral neutrality doesn't negate your very heavy seeding and writing bias, which, in my view, amounts to "bigotry" and "racism" (your words, not mine - I just called you a political hack initially choosing not to explicitly throw extreme words around for sake of civility).
{"commentId":872391,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":873670,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":857332,"authorDomain":"SimplyTRUE"}
Commander Guy also likes to play Bogeyman.
{"commentId":857332,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"SimplyTRUE"}
- 18 votes
#2 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:21 PM EDT{"commentId":857462,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
Once a bully always a bully, what I say. I says you're lucky if his making a little girl cry is all that worries you.
{"commentId":857462,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
- 15 votes
#3 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:01 PM EDT{"commentId":860251,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}
Hmm... methinks not a bully.
{"commentId":860251,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"nikitab"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":857538,"authorDomain":"danireland"}
Bush as driven me to tears for years.
{"commentId":857538,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"danireland"}
- 32 votes
#4 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:33 PM EDT{"commentId":858517,"authorDomain":"kai"}
2 points for taking the path of less imagination and stating the obvious joke.
{"commentId":858517,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"kai"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":857565,"authorDomain":"shore"}
A little like catching Muskie "crying," but fair game.
{"commentId":857565,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"shore"}
- 3 votes
#5 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:40 PM EDT{"commentId":857626,"authorDomain":"al-3"}
Well at least he tried to comfort her during and afterword. Cheney probably would have had her thrown in jail for harassment.
{"commentId":857626,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"al-3"}
- 15 votes
#6 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:56 PM EDT{"commentId":857670,"authorDomain":"blai"}
Ecch, here's one case where Bush actually did the right thing. Lots of people want to call Bush an insensitive boob, and sometimes he is, but he immediately spotted the girl's reaction, answered her question, talked to her in person, and tried to make things right with the family.
Bush is still human, folks. He's been known to cry a fair bit, not in public, but he does meet with the families who've lost servicemen. He touches wounded veterans, he looks them straight in the eye. I do not like the man, I think he's a horrible commander and president, but let's be fair to him as a human being, he knew he screwed this one up and he tried to set things right.
{"commentId":857670,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"blai"}
- 40 votes
#7 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:09 PM EDT{"commentId":857865,"authorDomain":"Missy2"}
Blaise, grudgingly I agree with you.
{"commentId":857865,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"Missy2"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":857959,"authorDomain":"kyleb"}
Blaise, I don't agree with your positions on many things you have expressed here on Newsvine, but you are very fair. Thank you for being honest, genuine, and fair even to those you disagree with during these partisan times.
{"commentId":857959,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"kyleb"}
- 14 votes
{"commentId":858293,"authorDomain":"restso"}
I am the type of girl that cries in situations like these and although I am in no way a fan of Bush, but I agree he did the best he could here.
{"commentId":858293,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"restso"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":858428,"authorDomain":"juno"}
Blaise! We have common ground! Wow.
{"commentId":858428,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":858433,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
*sniff*
{"commentId":858433,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":858460,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}
I make children cry all the time. I don't see whats wrong with it if it makes a lot of people happy.
Well I do I suppose but then I think crying children are a wonderful metaphor for the third world.
Bush did it consequently and not for effect, amateur.
{"commentId":858460,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":858830,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}
BlaiseP, you're absolutely right.
And I think President Bush's ill conceived first comment could teach us all to maybe take a second to think about what we are going to say before we actually say it.
{"commentId":858830,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"MissDev"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":859096,"authorDomain":"daweb"}
Blaise, you comments here surprised me. in a good way!
{"commentId":859096,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"daweb"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":859274,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
Not to destroy the joy, but his compassion, which I'm sure is genuine, is not enough restitution for the mistakes he and his handlers have made and continue to make. Photograph of case in point.
Let's not forget all the children. This man will earn no kudos in my book until he helps to stop the real crying caused by war.
{"commentId":859274,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":859715,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Quite well said Blaise, as usual. Of course, the seeder of this piece and many of these people on Newsvine never resist an opportunity to get in a gratuitous cheapshot on the president even when it's obvious it's total bull@!$%#. It happens probably about five or so times a day.
{"commentId":859715,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":860528,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Well put Blaise and it's good that you said so. A number of people seem to have taken this thread as some sort of vindictive hate-fest against Bush which was never its intent. Personally, I thought that this was one of his softer and more appealing moments as President.
I seeded the story for that, and did the headline that way because -- honestly -- I thought ya'll would appreciate some political humor, particularly with that happy ending.
{"commentId":860528,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861131,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Personally, I thought that this was one of his softer and more appealing moments as President.
I seeded the story for that,
As the Pet Detective would have said, "Reeaaaallly?!!" I cry bull@!$%#. Why then did your very first comment say this Killfile:
Personally, I thought that this was one of his softer and more appealing moments as President.
I seeded the story for that,
Methinks you are trying to backpeddle and change your reasoning for this post, albeit very badly.
{"commentId":861131,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":861132,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Oops, here is your first comment:
Way to go Mr. Bush -- drive a little girl to tears. I'm sure your press handlers loved you for that one.
{"commentId":861132,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":861149,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
blaise
It almost makes me cry to think what a Bush suck-up you've become.
{"commentId":861149,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861194,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
Just went to the cleaners today. All Asians, no George.
{"commentId":861194,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861224,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Yes, because when I want to get in a dig on Bush I make sure to demonstrate that he pissed off his press handlers
Seriously - if I'd wanted to make this about "Bush is a bad guy" I'd hope you think I could do better than "I'm sure your press handlers loved you for that one."
{"commentId":861224,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861239,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Everyone knows that Bush pisses off his press handlers, he's a bumbling fool. You dont get brownie points for being Mr Obvious. Your seed was still spin and you know it, you're just in full scale denial at this point.
{"commentId":861239,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861287,"authorDomain":"blai"}
Schnoo @7.15 : I am no such thing. There seems to be some urge to dehumanize those we dislike. In so doing, we create a bogeyman. I have not praised Bush, but put him into the context of a deeply flawed human being. And a human being nonetheless.
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest -
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men -
...
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
...
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
{"commentId":861287,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"blai"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861302,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861321,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
Boy, blaise, you really had me going there for a minute. ;^)
{"commentId":861321,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":861328,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
(Plus I had to say something because of all those damn votes you got for being so damned nice.)
{"commentId":861328,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":857838,"authorDomain":"robertmcg"}
Nice One.
{"commentId":857838,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"robertmcg"}
#8 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:06 PM EDT{"commentId":858015,"authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
He must've told her that he mortgaged the financial future of the US to fight an unjust war, all to avenge his father and make his buddies rich.
Sorry, I'm feeling a little verklempt now myself.
{"commentId":858015,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
- 4 votes
#9 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:28 PM EDT{"commentId":858046,"authorDomain":"donaldo22"}
The whole point is he opens his mouth before he thinks, no good trying to be the nice guy after..
He is an insensitive, mega-rich, selfish,ignorant, incompetent,war mongering criminal.....
impeachment is the only sensble answer...
{"commentId":858046,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"donaldo22"}
- 4 votes
#10 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:43 PM EDT{"commentId":858056,"authorDomain":"donaldo22"}
p.s. sensble is obviously Bush's spelling not mine!!!!!!!
{"commentId":858056,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"donaldo22"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":860204,"authorDomain":"kellyeannora"}
Oh, come on, most of us would have done the same when hit with that level question from a 13-year-old kid.
{"commentId":860204,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"kellyeannora"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":858239,"authorDomain":"wardsmythe"}
Some of you people will grab at anything in your hatred of George Bush. It wasn't like he intended to make the girl cry. And in her own words, she was nervous and it was the response of the crowd.
But even if it was the President's remarks, he did what he could to reassure her while she was speaking and then immediately after he did what he could to make it right.
For what I'm sure are different reasons than many here, I don't agree with everything the President has said or done. But what he does, he does because he believes it's the right thing to do.
At least with George Bush, teenagers are inclined to ask him policy questions rather than "boxers or briefs."
{"commentId":858239,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wardsmythe"}
- 7 votes
#11 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:21 PM EDT{"commentId":858440,"authorDomain":"juno"}
I agree with you.
{"commentId":858440,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":858537,"authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
OMG! LOL! ROTFLMAO!
You made a reference to Clinton's penis! How original! I think that might be the first time, like, evah! Cuz, you know, like it's like so funny! I never like saw that one coming! Cuz, you know, like it's like OK and everything to start a like war on false pretenses and stuff, but get a BJ, and you are like a horrible, horrible man!
Oh, and get a prostitute??? Oh, that's like, so not so OK. Unless, of course...
...IOKIYAAR...
...and stuff. Like, you know and stuff.
{"commentId":858537,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":858561,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}
Clinton's penis? She's got one too?
{"commentId":858561,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"spookybf"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":858590,"authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
@Spooky @ 11.3:
Hail yeah she's got a penis, and she's hung like a MF bear! I'm jealous, being an effeminate librul and all with my expensive haircut.
Oh, wait, this just in! Fox News says she's a lesbian! A lesbian that's hung like a bear. I've now officially seen it all.
Seriously, the only person who should be thinking about a BJ that happened 10 years ago is me. And the specifics of that are between me, my shrink, and Pedro.
{"commentId":858590,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":858625,"authorDomain":"bigfatdrunk"}
{"commentId":858690,"authorDomain":"juno"}
Are you talking to yourself big?
{"commentId":858690,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":858901,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
For what I'm sure are different reasons than many here, I don't agree with everything the President has said or done. But what he does, he does because he believes it's the right thing to do.
At least with George Bush, teenagers are inclined to ask him policy questions rather than "boxers or briefs
You "Clinton haters" just can't miss a chance to get one in either, I notice.
{"commentId":858901,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":858979,"authorDomain":"benno"}
First he kills a wolf mother and now this. Busy week for President Satan.
{"commentId":858979,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"benno"}
- 1 vote
#13 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:07 AM EDT{"commentId":859100,"authorDomain":"festivewarrior"}
Mr. Bush again tried to encourage the distraught youngster without drawing too much attention to her. "It's a great question by the way, and I'm glad you asked it," Mr. Bush said.
But when the president finished taking questions, an aide immediately went to Jessica and took her backstage. After Mr. Bush had finished shaking hands for over 10 minutes, he met with Jessica and her family. "He said it was really brave of me to do that and he said he probably wouldn't have been able to do that," Jessica said. "And he said it was the first time anybody had asked him about [immigration] since it happened."
I am glad he helped her in her discomfort and nervousness.
President Bush clearly wanted her to be encouraged to care about her world as well as be courageous enough to go to the source for answers.
Thank you for this article.
It encouraged me.
{"commentId":859100,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"festivewarrior"}
- 2 votes
#14 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:15 AM EDT{"commentId":859523,"authorDomain":"MRZK"}
So, it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood...unless you're in Iraq.
{"commentId":859523,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"MRZK"}
- 3 votes
#15 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:50 AM EDT{"commentId":867916,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
Or strolling with "Big John" McCain an battalion crew in Baghdad Mall---I mean market.
{"commentId":867916,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
{"commentId":859644,"authorDomain":"basseq"}
I think the headline's a little sensational, and I think the following quote from the story is telling:
Jessica, in the interview, said that she was crying because she was so nervous.
That that as you will.
{"commentId":859644,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"basseq"}
- 5 votes
#16 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:23 AM EDT{"commentId":859881,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
The headline doesn't say he pushed her down and took her milk money. It says he made her cry. He could have made her cry by making faces at her or by cutting onions.
If you see sensationalism here it's more telling of what you think than my headline. Bush did something that made a little girl cry. It's 100% accurate.
{"commentId":859881,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":859907,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Bullcrap.
Jessica, in the interview, said that she was crying because she was so nervous.
What I find amazing is how 47 nitwits voted this tripe "up". Says a lot about the Newsvine "community" and none of it good.
{"commentId":859907,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":859915,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
Agreed with that Bill. Kind of supports the article I read by Sleuth about how many posters on NV are a bit biased, though I do believe that Blaise got it voted up quite a bit.
{"commentId":859915,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":860158,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Killfile, what in the hell did Bush do that made her cry? I really don't get it! You're smarter than this Kilfile, you know full well why this is sensational, because it's simply not true. The girl may have been crying, but it was not because of anything Bush said or did. And I despise the man. I just hate all this stupid @!$%# coming from those who should know better.
{"commentId":860158,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":860255,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
He gave a snarky response. Now a more experienced audience member would have realized that it was a joke at the President's expense, but she didn't and when everyone laughed, she thought they were laughing at her
So she cried.
I mean... I'm not trying to say the guy's a monster for making a little girl cry. I can almost imagine Nelson from the Simpsons jumping into that scene ("Ha ha!").
Honestly, I just thought it was a good human interest/politics seed with a shadenfreude component. If Ted Kennedy had done the same thing and I'd seen it I would have seeded that too.
{"commentId":860255,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":860341,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
If Ted Kennedy had done the same thing and I'd seen it I would have seeded that too.
And as much as I despise that drunkard, my response would have been the same, because I'm fair. You were not being fair in seeding this, first by changing the title, and then by selectively quoting so that it looked that Bush was the reason the girl cried. This is really beneath someone who is consistently #1 on the leadeboard, don't ya think? I think you should apologize.
{"commentId":860341,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":860481,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Those of us who have written profesionally just laugh at this "leaderboard" nonsense. It's sophomoric and that's being generous.
{"commentId":860481,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":860794,"authorDomain":"basseq"}
It says he made her cry.
By being there and being asked a question, snarky response notwithstanding. And on the snarky response, you yourself say she cried because she didn't understand grown-up politics (and humor).
"President Bush Makes A Little Girl Cry" is sensational because it implies fault at best and maliciousness at worst. Look at the headline of the seed itself: "Bush jokes. Crowd laughs. Girl cries." He could have been dicing onions on In The Kitchen With Dubya (which I would totally watch); the fact remains that it's not nearly as sensational. People may read "Bush makes girl cry" into it, but that's personal political preference.
"Little Girl Doesn't Understand Political Humor and Cries" would be more objective. There's spin in your headline, which by definition means it's accurate, but portrayed from a certain viewpoint. I could seed the same story with "Bush speaks at length about immigration bill, meets with politically-saavy young questioner after press conference." Also true. But completely different. Notice that I never said your headline wasn't accurate, I just said it's sensational, and it is.
We could go back and forth with the "if you can/can't see how this headline is sensational then you're obviously conservative/liberal," but I think the fact remains.
{"commentId":860794,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"basseq"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861163,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
I think it's precisely why Killfile is number one on the leaderboard.
I thought epiphany sorbet was. I guess I need to check.
{"commentId":861163,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":861212,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861229,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861230,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Nah -- Epiphany will catch me eventually. It's just mathematics. I have a head start but that won't be enough to matter in the long run.
It'll all come down to tenacity and, like I said, I have a head start so... well... that's not so much of an advantage when it comes to that.
{"commentId":861230,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861251,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
I guess it's just what time frame we're talking about. Not that it merits much talking about. Except to Scott, of course. He has that lean and hungry look. ;^)
{"commentId":861251,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861254,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861260,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
You couldn't see through a Glad Bag, bart. Better go light one up.
{"commentId":861260,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":861278,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861310,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861334,"authorDomain":"schnoo"}
Thanks for clearing that up.. I was wondering.
{"commentId":861334,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"schnoo"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":861345,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":859686,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
Seems to be a slow day for the Bush haters.
Blaise, group hug
{"commentId":859686,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
- 6 votes
#17 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:38 AM EDT{"commentId":860104,"authorDomain":"al-3"}
Bush haters = Anyone not basing basing their political views on faith?
Bush haters = Anyone that's tired of funding an illegal war designed to line pockets of corporate fat cats?
Bush haters = Anyone that has to travel outside the U.S. and worries how foreign policy affects them?
Bush haters = Anyone that disagrees with you?
Just trying to get a read on your comment.
{"commentId":860104,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"al-3"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":860138,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
Bush haters - seeders that will look for any story, no matter how minor or ludicrous, which makes Bush look bad or otherwise denigrates him.
For example, this seed.
{"commentId":860138,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":860193,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
Seems to be a slow day for the Bush haters
Tell that to the Iraqis who hate him. I don't really hate him, I hate war and dying children. Bush and Co represent that.
{"commentId":860193,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":860211,"authorDomain":"al-3"}
Really, then it's just the people he hires that make him look so bad, rather the people that actually hired him. He's probably a pretty good guy, many of the people he surrounds himself with are not. His policies speak for themselves.
{"commentId":860211,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"al-3"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":860214,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
And for the sake of peace, Killfile, it's a little out there. I was drawn in thinking Bush had sent her to jail.
I'm new, I'll get the feeling soon.
{"commentId":860214,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":860215,"authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
Well, I had to laugh. Sorry, but that post was not worth a laugh.
Children die each day, do you cry for them as well?
Do you despise Mugabe? I didn't see you post anything about him.
Nope, as I said, hate Bush, hate Bush, hate Bush. It is a mantra with the wacky left.
Hey, Bush is an idiot, but hate him? Nope, I leave the hating to the left, thank you very much.
{"commentId":860215,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"wmolaw"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":867964,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
Definition of a Bush hater by:
wmolaw
no matter how minor or ludicrous, which makes Bush look bad or otherwise denigrates him. wmolaw:
"Hey, Bush is an idiot,"Bush hater !
{"commentId":867964,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":859964,"authorDomain":"ivan"}
It is on YouTube but I don't really hear her crying...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQW-8AS7Ux0
{"commentId":859964,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"ivan"}
- 1 vote
#18 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:55 PM EDT{"commentId":860145,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Killfile. I am very disappointed in you. I never thought you would stoop to this level. Bush has many many failings as a President, and we should all be talking about them. But instead you want to mischaracterize this whole incident as Bush causing this little girl to cry, when in fact, your very own little synoptic quotes, tell otherwise. this was a very shy girl, and the attention of the crowd caused her to tear up. Bush hadn't even answered the question yet, how in the HELL did he cause her to cry?!
Shame on you Killfile, this is stooping to the same kind of tactics that people like Keld Bach use. You are much better than this.
{"commentId":860145,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 6 votes
#19 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:48 PM EDT{"commentId":860175,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Jessica, in the interview, said that she was crying because she was nervous
You really should be ashamed Killfile. Did you even read the article? The title on this is even your own. The actual title reads thus:
Bush jokes. Crowd laughs. Girl cries.
Want more truth to your stupid lies?
But Jessica, there with her parents and younger sister, continued to wipe tears from her eyes for several minutes, and midway through his answer, Mr. Bush again tried to encourage the distraught youngster without drawing too much attention to her.
"It's a great question by the way, and I'm glad you asked it," Mr. Bush said.
But when the president finished taking questions, an aide immediately went to Jessica and took her backstage.
After Mr. Bush had finished shaking hands for over 10 minutes, he met with Jessica and her family.
"He said it was really brave of me to do that and he said he probably wouldn't have been able to do that," Jessica said. "And he said it was the first time anybody had asked him about [immigration] since it happened."
{"commentId":860175,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 4 votes
#20 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:55 PM EDT{"commentId":860183,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
What you have done with this non-story, Killfile, is the freakin definition of "spin". Congratulations!!
{"commentId":860183,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":860277,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Oh good Lord Phaderus, it was a little light hearted humor. No harm meant. I certainly didn't use this as a means to fling hate at President Bush. Look over my comments here. The only one I made was that his press handlers must have been thrilled.
It was seeded mostly for a laugh. It's a seed from the Washington Times for Christ's sake. I changed their title, yea -- but the lead in is all theirs. This has nothing to do with lies, just a news story that - if you let yourself - might make you chuckle a little.
Honestly, I thought Bush came off rather well in the whole thing and the "Bush Haters" as they're termed, probably clicked through and read it more than the "Cheerleaders" did.
{"commentId":860277,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":860347,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Actually, as the #1 contributor on newsvine, I trust you, Killfile. So imagine my surprise when I clicked over to read the article to find something totally different than what you skillfully spun. Spin, is what you did Killfile, and spin is ugly no matter which side does it. No where in anything you said did you imply that you were joking, you implied that Bush made this girl cry. It's unbecoming of you.
{"commentId":860347,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":860490,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Can't have been that different. I'd wager that the first five paragraphs were identical.
Do you think I should include the sixth? That's fine. I can get on board with that.
{"commentId":860490,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":867983,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
Killfile
Write what you want-
Let Them cry
They are adults---
I think ?
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{"commentId":860994,"authorDomain":"kyleb"}
Why are so many people freaking out here? If he intended it as humor, and not as an attack, why keep jumping on him?
{"commentId":860994,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"kyleb"}
#21 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:38 PM EDT{"commentId":861000,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Because everyone has different ideas about humor. I never expected my friends on the Right would find it funny. I just didn't think they'd have a complete snit-fit over it.
{"commentId":861000,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"killfile"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861134,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861140,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
Because it wasn't seeded as a joke. Look at his very first comment. Also, I don't see any satire tag on this one, nothing that tells us that this is a joke. This was seeded as just another way to make Bush look like such a moron and an unfeeling cad that he actually made a little girl cry, which, in point of fact, he never did. The way he seeded the article, with the fabricated title, was a complete sham. Personally, I don't think anyone should ever change the title of a seed because usually when it is done, it is done for reasons such as this, spin and demagoguery.
{"commentId":861140,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861148,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
You see, this is EXACTLY the same tactics that Michael Moore uses. Michael never outright lies, he just spins and twists the facts to suit his own purposes. That is why so many people, myself included, can not stand what Michael Moore does. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Killfile and his seeds and articles are usually spot on, and on point, but this time, he stooped to the level of a Michael Moore and as much as I respect it, I am not going to let him get away with that. I seriously think he is much better than crap such as this. And I don't think he wants to be labeled with the same brush as Michael Moore is.
{"commentId":861148,"threadId":"124285","contentId":"831055","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":861240,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861244,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
You see, this is EXACTLY the same tactics that Michael Moore uses. Michael never outright lies, he just spins and twists the facts to suit his own purposes. That is why so many people, myself included, can not stand what Michael Moore does. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Killfile and his seeds and articles are usually spot on, and on point, but this time, he stooped to the level of a Michael Moore and as much as I respect it, I am not going to let him get away with that. I seriously think he is much better than crap such as this. And I don't think he wants to be labeled with the same brush as Michael Moore is.
Yet you seem pretty determined to paint me with it given that you used the phrase "Michael Moore" or "Michael" five times in that paragraph.
Look if you think this is some insidious spin to make President Bush look bad then there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
For those that are willing to give me a fair shot against this libel, rest assured that if I wanted to make Mr. Bush out to be a bad guy I can come up with better one-liners than the one that starts this seed and I can find better sources than the Washington Freaking Times to do it with.
Mr Bush is doing a fine job of making himself look like an ass. It's not as if he needs my help.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":861261,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861282,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
Glad you're at least amused Bartleby.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":861318,"authorDomain":"economist"}
{"commentId":861280,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}
bartleby 15 posts, covering among other things your childhood memories of yesteryear. Thanks for sharing and sharing and sharing and sharing. What you miss in scintillation you make up in volume. No-ones as impressed as you are, that's a given.
What barely amuses me but amuses me nevertheless is the clot of otherwise unread pompous whiners who congregate around killfile simply to whinge among themselves.
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- 5 votes
#22 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:21 PM EDT{"commentId":861637,"authorDomain":"wenwon"}
Bush is socially unaware. Oh did I mention, he can't speak English well?
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#23 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:06 PM EDT{"commentId":862043,"authorDomain":"wenwon"}
I'm not aware of any inner city blacks that serve a senior role within any government.
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- 1 vote
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