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Newsvine's DC Madam Record Parser Is Up And Running

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The DC Madam's phone list consists of literally years of records, thousands of lines, and untold calls. As you read this bloggers around the globe are pouring over these scanned pages. The loose-knit community at Reddit, a popular social news site and potential rival of industry giant Digg , has begun a project to convert the haphazard graphical scans into cleaner text documents. From there, the real work begins -- meticulously tracking down and identifying the owner of the thousands of numbers that trace back through the years, spelling out a sordid tale of sex in the halls of power.

Newsvine, has also joined the fray, and has attempted to leverage its much closer knit community and users groups to assemble a dedicated team to work the bulk of these numbers. But even with a well organized group, the sheer volume of records may prove a daunting task. In a community constructed upon computed networks and connected through them, it seems more than a bit out of place that one of the largest Crowdsourcing attempts in Internet history is being accomplished largely by hand. Automation is in order.

Today this column, in partnership with Newsvine, is pleased to launch what, with luck, will become one of the first steps towards a massive automation of the DC Madam Crowdsourcing. The Quick Phone Record Parse and Lookup (Q-PRPL - "Q-Purple") Application allows users to submit scanned text transcriptions of the DC Madam phone records for automated parsing and reverse 411lookup. Used in conjunction with the ongoing OCR project at Reddit, Q-PRPL should help speed the process of decoding the DC Madam's records.

What You Can Do With It

QPRPL will allow users to upload a list of ten digit phone numbers for reverse 411 lookup. The application will parse the list, extract the phone numbers, and return links to any numbers with existing reverse 411 information. The result is a much faster means of digging through the existing DC Madam records. Though many of the numbers are wireless or unlisted, and thus can not be fetched via reverse-411, those that can be are much easier identified with the tool.

Try it out here

Users may find text copies of the phone records at the Reddit Goes To DC Wiki (password: "reddit") thanks to the ongoing work of the Reddit community. Please keep in mind that the information yielded by the Reddit Goes To DC project and Q-PRPL may not be 100% accurate. Users should take caution when reporting the results of a Q-PRPL query and should verify the number manually against the original scanned images to ensure accuracy. Make no mistake, accusations of cavorting with a prostitute can ruin a persons' life. Even solid and authenticated hits ought to draw a pause -- is this information important enough to the public at large to warrant its disclosure?

Issues and Limitations

Q-PRPL is a project under development and has two primary weaknesses.

First, Q-PRPL is bandwidth intensive. As the enormity of a complete US phone book defies description, Q-PRPL uses existing reverse 411 services to look up the phone numbers it extracts. Those requests amount to a large and potentially sustained volume of traffic, making private hosting difficult at best for the project. Newsvine's kind assistance in this matter thus makes the Q-PRPL software publicly available without the need for users to host the script themselves. Database enhancements are planned for the Q-PRPL engine to improve performance, but due to hardware limitations these may appear in a later release.

Second, Q-PRPL is unable to fetch wireless, unlisted, or very old phone numbers. No existing free reverse 411 solution exists in for wireless numbers and unlisted numbers are, as their name implies, also difficult to reverse lookup. As such, Q-PRPL returns "Wireless" and "Unlisted" when it encounters numbers without adequate data. The proliferation of mobile phones, particularly inside the beltway, is evident in returns from Q-PRPL. As this is a preliminary release of Q-PRPL unlisted and wireless numbers are simply not addressed in this version. Depending on the success of the project and other concerns, Q-PRPL may eventually incorporate a social component to further refine these initial and limited results. In the event that this extension is undertaken, Newsvine will again be instrumental in its success.

Caveats

Please use Q-PRPL responsibly. Do not harass or otherwise inconvenience individuals whose names or addresses may be presented by or through Q-PRPL. Q-PRPL's information is not necessarily 100% accurate and should be taken with a grain of salt. Numerous opportunities for corruption from errors in scanning, OCR, and number extraction to outdated listings and changed phone numbers make reverse-411 on the DC Madam records difficult at best. To that end, diligence and decorum are of the utmost importance.

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{"commentId":862197,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Newsvine has been very gracious to host this for us and it will gather, as it runs, a database of numbers. The team is a little strapped for development resources right now though, so they can't spend hours indulging my whims on this one unless the project justifies itself.

What that means is simply this. If the community likes this and uses it Newsvine will probably be more willing to dedicate resources to it. If it flops and no one cares, no big deal.

Right now the service runs slowly and I am sorry about that. There is a fetch from cache option in the script, but we need to know what kind of impact that would have on Newsvine's higher priority services (like your ability to view this article) before it is enabled.

Enjoy -- and yes, we are capturing the numbers as they are parsed and storing them. This will allow Newsvine to build a database of the DC madam phone records and we'll see where it goes from there.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":862241,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

Is this actually for real, or some kind of elaborate Killfile joke? If not a joke, do you not have more important things you could be doing with your time and energy?! My God, seriously dude!!

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  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:53 AM EDT
{"commentId":862256,"authorDomain":"psi29a"}

Is this actually for real, or some kind of elaborate Killfile joke? If not a joke, do you not have more important things you could be doing with your time and energy?! My God, seriously dude!!

Nothing was more fun than getting yelled at killfile who said "Check this out!". I leaned over and he was running the precurser to what is found here. I suggested a unique sort to help knock out the redundant phone entries.

It is called hacking for the sack of hacking, it interests you and you go and do it. Took him 20 minutes, tops, to write the initial parser.

Perhaps you should rethink your issues with tolerance to other people's hobbies.

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  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:59 AM EDT
{"commentId":862263,"authorDomain":"killfile"}
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{"commentId":862997,"authorDomain":"tom"}

If not a joke, do you not have more important things you could be doing with your time and energy?! My God, seriously dude!!

Phaedrus: why don't you find someone else's oatmeal to crap in (read: If you're not interested in this story, then don't comment on it).

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  • 18 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":863455,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}

This has the potentioa to take us into a whole new Brave New World

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  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":863630,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

Tom, crapping in the oatmeal? My crap LOOKS like oatmeal!!

Seriously, though, I can understand how you would think my comment unnecessary, but I just really believe that with all the REAL problems we are facing in the world right now, that there are better uses of newsvines time and energy. I mean, does newsvine really want to be known as the go to website for a computer program as salacious as this one? I mean, what is the ultimate purpose of this? Is it to make the world a better place? Or just to embarrass people? Why not make a computer program that can figure out how to end this war we are in in Iraq? Why not come up with a computer program that will figure out how to give the Democrats in office some cojones, some backbone? Why not a computer program to figure out how to insure the millions of uninsured children in this country? How about a program to figure out a way that we can all come together as a country, so that we can once again stand united instead of so incredibly divided? What about a program that would make me proud once again to be an American? Where at least I know I'm free? I think these are serious questions, and I just think there are better uses of one's time and energy. Obviously, Killfile is talented in the computer programming department, and certainly newsvine has the means, I'm just asking if there isn't a better use of one's time and energy? This seems so paltry and salacious and not meant to uplift us as a country. It's dirt, it's Paris Hilton style demagoguery, it's "ooh, let's get em". It's quite frankly crap in the American oatmeal.

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":863675,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

We can all do without descriptions of your effluence Phaedrus.

First of all...

Why not make a computer program that can figure out how to end this war we are in in Iraq? Why not come up with a computer program that will figure out how to give the Democrats in office some cojones, some backbone? Why not a computer program to figure out how to insure the millions of uninsured children in this country? How about a program to figure out a way that we can all come together as a country, so that we can once again stand united instead of so incredibly divided? What about a program that would make me proud once again to be an American? Where at least I know I'm free?

... those are all NP complete problems and don't lend themselves well to an algorithmic solution.

Moving right along -- are there better uses of my time and energy? Sure. I could be out giving food to orphans or driving the elderly to hospitals or teaching Republicans to read (that's a joke. Laugh damn it). I'm not doing those things though, I'm screwing around on my computer and I wrote a program for fun.

Turns out it's a handy little script and there are a lot of people in a lot of different Crowdsourcing groups that could use it. I don't have the capacity to host it myself and Newsvine though it might be worthwhile to host it as a public service.

This seems so paltry and salacious and not meant to uplift us as a country. It's dirt, it's Paris Hilton style demagoguery, it's "ooh, let's get em". It's quite frankly crap in the American oatmeal.

The very moment Paris Hilton is actually capable of legislation you'll be right. As of right now, however, she's just some rich slut. Covering her isn't news. Exposing a power elite that flaunts the very laws they expect the rest of us to obey -- that's news.

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  • 11 votes
#1.7 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":863687,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

Exposing a power elite that flaunts the very laws they expect the rest of us to obey -- that's news.

I could make your task a little easier. Instead of a computer program to parse lists and find phone numbers, just come up with a list of EVERYONE in DC and you will have your list of the power elite that flaunts the very laws they expect the rest of us to obey. They are ALL crooks. It's like trying to kill cock roaches in your house one at a time, when you should just set off a pesticide bomb and be done with it.

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  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":863693,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

.. those are all NP complete problems and don't lend themselves well to an algorithmic solution.

I understand that, I wasn't being literal. I'm just saying that with your intelligence and expertise, I'm sure you could be doing better things with your time and energy.

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  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:38 PM EDT
{"commentId":863725,"authorDomain":"psi29a"}

I understand that, I wasn't being literal. I'm just saying that with your intelligence and expertise, I'm sure you could be doing better things with your time and energy.

The same should be asked of you, why are you even here? Shouldn't you be out killing commies and protecting your precious bodily fluids?

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  • 10 votes
#1.10 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":863735,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

I wasn't talking about being on newsvine. I was saying there is more productive uses of one's time on newsvine. And I've never seen you around ever before, how the hell would you know what my politics are?

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  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":863800,"authorDomain":"psi29a"}

Lurk more, and lighten up.

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  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":864144,"authorDomain":"shore"}

Seriously, though, I can understand how you would think my comment unnecessary, but I just really believe that with all the REAL problems we are facing in the world right now, that there are better uses of newsvines time and energy.

Phaedrus72, you may not have put it very eloquently, but I think that you have a point. We have men and women being slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the dollar's in the toilet. and our journalism-oriented members are still obsessing on who's boinkin' whom. Granted this garbage got shoved down our throats by the people being caught for many years and payback is a witch, but if we all spent a little less time worrying about who's in whose pants we'd probably actually learn something here. Where's the automated program to go through the federal audit report of pentagon spending to tell us where the Pentagon's $1.1 trillion in unsupported accounting entries - that I'd like to see. Certainly citizen journalism has to start with what's handed to us and I don't condemn Killfile for making the content more accessible or encouraging collaboration, but I'd hope that we'd have more serious things to trawl through - especially when we're told how important journalistic standards are. If Washington sex scandals are a journalistic standard I'm not sure how much I care about standards.

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  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":864159,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

The point is bull@!$%#, plain and simple.

There are any number of people on Newvsine that we could address and throw out our high and mighty "shouldn't you be spending your time doing something worthwhile" but to come in and attack Killfile, who is aiding an ACTUAL attempt at Citizen Journalism while many of the rest of you are walking around with your heads up your asses bickering about extremist partisan bull@!$%# op-ed quality crapola is, to be blunt: Laughably idiotic.

If you're going to complain and act as though you're better than the rest of us: Have something to show for it.

People can write about whatever they want, and honestly -- this sort of "stop wasting our time" posturing is annoying even when it is warranted -- but to do so against a REAL attempt at doing something good for Newsvine when the front page is littered with ann coulter style rants, 8 things about me meme's, and blabbedy blah @!$%#ing blah idiocy about "insert political opposition here" just shows that you're out to attack Killfile, not quality.

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  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":864227,"authorDomain":"shore"}

Brian,

I support Killfile's efforts, I think that they're admirable, and if Newsvine gets a scoop on some names then we become "a force to be reckoned with." That's fine.

I just lament that it has to be about sex.

In the meantime I'll so work on my weblog for a while.

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    #1.15 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":864237,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

    !

    For the last time: This is not now, and never was about "the act of having illegal sex."

    That has been stated so many times now that I do not understand why people keep claiming otherwise.

    If you know of a list of public officials exhibiting misconduct and MOST IMPORTANTLY hypocrisy as it relates to the Iraq war, or any other matter that you consider to be "more important" than this matter, please let us know and we'll work just as hard to work through that list.

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    • 5 votes
    #1.16 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:44 PM EDT
    {"commentId":864255,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

    Phaedrus, they all need to be prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law because they made the law.

    We should hang them. And then we'll open up seats in congress, and if the new guys disappoint us we'll hang them too and so on and so forth until this population problem is in hand.

    {"commentId":864255,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}
    • 5 votes
    #1.17 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:53 PM EDT
    {"commentId":864257,"authorDomain":"shore"}

    Have a good time.

    {"commentId":864257,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"shore"}
      #1.18 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 PM EDT
      {"commentId":864444,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

      Brian, I'm sure you have better things to do. Like, ummm, getting your iPhone to work without all the glitches, or, ummm, better yet.. deleting comments that you don't like.

      People can write about whatever they want,

      Except when it's on your column, then if you don't like it, you just delete it. Talk about blabbedy blabbedy @!$%#ing blah. Your entire comment above is just that. As I've told you numerous times before, I'm just as @!$%#ing entitled to my opinions as you are and I'm just as @!$%#ing entitled to air my opinions. Don't like it? Go elsewhere. On this thread, you can't delete my comments.

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      • 4 votes
      #1.19 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:39 PM EDT
      {"commentId":864449,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

      And like it or not, with people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, and with no end in sight, and our own country almost in shambles, forgive me if I find people concerned about who is @!$%#ing whom, legally or illegally, with or without hypocrisy, just a little trite.

      Then again, as long you have your iPhone, nothing much else matters does it?

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      • 2 votes
      #1.20 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:41 PM EDT
      {"commentId":864571,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

      Except when it's on your column, then if you don't like it, you just delete it.

      No, I just delete your comments, because I don't like you.

      But, go ahead and appeal it: We'll see if it's just me, or if those with the power to reinstate your comments ALSO think you were itchin' for a fight with the worthless loud-mouth comment you left on my thread.

      I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that.

      At any rate, when you're writing something of worth (or much of anything at all) on the topics that you supposedly care so much about, perhaps then what you have to say about Killfile's efforts will mean a damn thing.

      Or, maybe your articles about your public speaking fears, church signs, and meet n' greets are more worthy topics than this one?

      Or, maybe the rest of us know to keep our mouths shut about the things we think are a waste of time.

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      • 4 votes
      #1.21 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:47 PM EDT
      {"commentId":864611,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

      Okay you panty-wastes, quiet down and get back on topic :)

      {"commentId":864611,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}
        #1.22 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:13 AM EDT
        {"commentId":865100,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
        Phaedrus72Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        But, go ahead and appeal it: We'll see if it's just me, or if those with the power to reinstate your comments ALSO think you were itchin' for a fight with the worthless loud-mouth comment you left on my thread.

        No, I'm not a pansy and a freakin cry baby like some people around here that I know of. I could care less if you reinstate my comment. For the record, I said nothing in that comment about you personally. I made some disparaging remarks about the iPhone and the stupid people who are buying it right now, instead of waiting for all the bugs to be worked out. Apparently, as I should have already known, you don't like disparaging about your precious Apple. That's fine, but deleting comments you don't like, simply because it disagrees with you, just shows you for who you really are. I receive comments all the freakin time that I don't agree with and many that I don't like. I NEVER delete comments, I haven't even ever deleted yours.That's fine though, you're a baby, I'll leave you to your circle jerk.

        Or, maybe your articles about your public speaking fears, church signs, and meet n' greets are more worthy topics than this one?

        Seems that you keep up with the ol' Phaedrus, huh? I couldn't tell you a single one of your recent articles or seeds, except for the one I commented on, because well.. I don't really give two @!$%#s about you.

        Or, maybe the rest of us know to keep our mouths shut about the things we think are a waste of time.

        Nope, certainly doesn't appear that you do, now do ya?

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        • 2 votes
        #1.23 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:36 AM EDT
        {"commentId":865125,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        I made some disparaging remarks about the iPhone and the stupid people who are buying it right now, instead of waiting for all the bugs to be worked out.

        Oh, I see. So, insulting a "general swath" of people with a very specific insult (stupid) on an article written by me, when I fit into that "general swath" of people doesn't count as an insult against me?

        Creative! I'll be sure to use that to my advantage in the future.

        But, to get this back on track: How about either contributing, or moving on?

        Killfile: Sorry for the thread-jacking. Feel free to delete this whole exchange. Some of us understand when we deserve to be deleted.

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        • 7 votes
        #1.24 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:49 AM EDT
        {"commentId":865130,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        I thought you knew how to keep your mouth shut?!!! Fat chance in hell!!

        You could have just explained to me why it's not stupid to buy an iPhone right now. I just found it hilarious that you were having such problems with the battery, when the iPod had the same exact problems when it first came out. You could have explained to me why it was smart to buy the first iteration of ANY product. I don't care if it's an Apple product or Microsoft or any product. But anyway, you're not interested in debate, I really don't understand why you are here on newsvine. Instead of having a debate, you chose to delete my comment, which was a very innocuous comment, by newsvine standards.

        Here's the comment I posted, by the way, where you can't delete it. Go cry to Killfile and ask him to delete it, if you wish, I'm sure you probably will. But I would like others opinions on whether or not this comment was inflammatory and should have been deleted.

        Funny, if I would have said that about you, and I have, you would have castigated me as being rude and obnoxious and possibly even dealing in misinformation. But right here we have your admittance. I love it.

        Anyone who would buy any product, whether from Apple or otherwise, in it's very first iteration isn't too smart, if you ask me. Especially when the product is almost all of $500. Must have money to throw away. I guess you and all the others don't remember that when the iPod first came out, it too had battery problems. Hmm, people just never learn, they just must have the crack that Apple is supposedly selling. I swear that Apple could bundle up a big pile of dog @!$%#, call it i@!$%#, and half the known world would be all over it like, well, stink on @!$%#.

        Oh, and I've known for years, that AT&T is a @!$%#ty ass company, even if I did like Apple and their products and wanted an iPhone, AT&T would have been a deal breaker for me.

        Notice, I disparaged AT&T also. It's not just Apple that I don't like.

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        • 1 vote
        #1.25 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:55 AM EDT
        {"commentId":865133,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        For the record everyone, what I was referring to in my first sentence,was that Brian said in his article that he is a sucker for Apple products. I bet if I had just written a one sentence comment saying, "Brian, you are a sucker for Apple products", it would have got deleted.

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        • 2 votes
        #1.26 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:57 AM EDT
        {"commentId":865557,"authorDomain":"vas"}

        But I would like others opinions on whether or not this comment was inflammatory and should have been deleted.

        Many of your comments were inflammatory and I'd vote for their deletion. I won't even go into the irony and hypocrisy clearly evident.

        {"commentId":865557,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"vas"}
        • 4 votes
        #1.27 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
        {"commentId":865796,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        Many of your comments were inflammatory in my opinion as well and I would vote for their deletion. Where does it end? If we all start deleting comments we don't like, then where does that leave newsvine as a place for debate? Nowhere. I am sick and tired of having to walk on egg shells around certain people. We are all adults here, getting your feelings hurt all the time, gets quite old. If I got my feelings hurt, or deleted comments every time I didn't like a comment, I would have a full time job deleting comments. Get over yourselves. I've been told to @!$%# off before, those comments were never deleted and to the best of my knowledge, no one from the newsvine team told them to tone it down. Get over yourselves. Really!! I think I feel another article coming on about this very topic.

        {"commentId":865796,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
        • 2 votes
        #1.28 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:49 PM EDT
        {"commentId":866609,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

        I'm now selling popcorn over the internet.

        {"commentId":866609,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}
        • 4 votes
        #1.29 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:29 AM EDT
        {"commentId":870066,"authorDomain":"tang"}

        It's Monday morning and the sheriff's back in town. So y'all better clean up your act(s). Any more flame warring here or elsewhere will result in comment deletions (by me) and/or the restriction of commenting privileges until the involved persons agree to abide by the CoH.

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        • 3 votes
        #1.30 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:15 PM EDT
        {"commentId":870200,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        Calvin, what about the time that I was repeatedly told to @!$%# off in a single thread? I didn't see you moderating that at all!!!

        {"commentId":870200,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
        • 1 vote
        #1.31 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
        {"commentId":870260,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

        Oh noes... you've done and done it now....

        {"commentId":870260,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"killfile"}
        • 3 votes
        #1.32 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
        {"commentId":870365,"authorDomain":"tang"}

        Wasn't that in the AOD? No rules there.

        Anyway, email me directly Phaedrus. Killfile's column isn't the place for us to go down memory lane.

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        • 4 votes
        #1.33 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":862266,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

        Follow the links Phaedrus. I wrote the parser for fun one evening and sent Newsvine a heads up offering to hand it over so they could host it if they wanted to. It's not a terribly complex or sophisticated application - not by the standards I typically work by anyway - but it'll do.

        I code for a living Phaedrus. A one-off script like this one isn't a big dea -- but I thought it might be appreciated by the community.

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        • 17 votes
        Reply#2 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:03 AM EDT
        {"commentId":862283,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

        Killfile, I never doubted you. I fired off an email saluting you even before anyone had commented here. I think your effort is genuine, beneficial and could lead to a much grander project. I think we should all stay open to the possibilities of collaboration on Newsvine. Thanks for being here.

        Thanks to you for being here also, Thoma.....er,... Phaedrus.

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        • 11 votes
        #2.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:13 AM EDT
        {"commentId":863635,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        Thanks to you for being here also, Thoma.....er,... Phaedrus.

        Color me stupid, but I don't get it!

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        • 1 vote
        #2.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:18 PM EDT
        {"commentId":863812,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

        Phaedrus72, I guess you are referring to my

        Thanks to you for being here also, Thoma.....er,... Phaedrus.

        I had you and Doubting Thomas in mind when I started to thank you for being here. Yes, even I am a smartass sometimes.

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        • 1 vote
        #2.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:20 PM EDT
        {"commentId":863821,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

        I thought that's what you might mean. It's ok. I am a doubting Thomas, about a great many things, even things that it's not politically correct to doubt, such as global warming and evolution.

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          #2.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:23 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":862391,"authorDomain":"eco-geek"}

          With no disrespect to Killfile or anyone else taking part in this, I have to question if this is a task we should be undertaking. Why are we working to expose something that has nothing to do with us, and which people would prefer to keep private? How many of us, who decried the Clinton impeachment for being about consensual sex, are now trying to root out others for much the same thing?

          Personally, I say leave it be. It's none of our business, and any people exposed are just going to distract us from far more important matters.

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          • 7 votes
          Reply#3 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:58 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862428,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

          Because we are interested in whether what someone says jives with what they do.

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          • 7 votes
          #3.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:10 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862450,"authorDomain":"baxter"}

          At one point in this country there were people - Republicans - who said what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of government's business. Those days seem long gone.

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          • 10 votes
          #3.2 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:20 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862484,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

          Because prostitution is a crime in the District of Columbia and Congress is directly responsible for the laws of the District.

          It is an example of Criminal Misconduct as well as hypocrisy.

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          • 11 votes
          #3.3 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:32 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862568,"authorDomain":"enigmaobscura"}

          I think it's very much our business -- especially as we know that left to their own agenda and politics, the mainstream media won't do anything about this. Why is it important to us? Because invariably there will be hits on the very people who stand up every day and talk about morals and family values, and abortions and sex and drugs and try to ram it down everyone's throat. It also sends a message, and hopefully a loud one, that things have changed; that politicians can't get away with fleecing the country, lying to everyone and collecting their enormous paychecks for doing nothing -- not showing up for most of the year of work, at best and at worst, breaking the very laws they enact. If it's not our job, then who's job is it? Want to leave it to FOX "News"? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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          • 13 votes
          #3.4 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:00 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862610,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

          enigma, I don't know what you are wrapped in but it is good stuff! Bravo!

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          • 5 votes
          #3.5 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:15 AM EDT
          {"commentId":864614,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

          This is not hypocrisy. It's an example of weakness of mind.

          Hypocrisy would be using the services of a prostitute, turning around, and telling you and I we cannot.

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          • 1 vote
          #3.6 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:14 AM EDT
          {"commentId":865065,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

          Laws come from somewhere...

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          • 2 votes
          #3.7 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:12 AM EDT
          {"commentId":865632,"authorDomain":"vas"}

          bmvaughn, I don't think we can make a blanket statement either way. But I think it is very fair for the voters to look into whether our leaders exhibit either hypocrisy or at least disingenuousness. And even when they are neither — if, as you say it boils down to only weakness of mind — it makes sense to question whether their moral judgment is worthy of our trust.

          Take David Vitter, for example:

          • He apparently advocates abstinence-only sex education. See his letter to the chairman and ranking member of the U.S. Senate Finance Committee. Is he a reliable expert on human sexuality and whether it is sensible to limit our tool set against unwanted pregnancy and STDs to abstinence only? I'm not even talking here about whether it is right for government to legislate morality about premarital sex, a whole other critique of his stands.
          • His Statement on Protecting the Sanctity of Marriage from his own campaign page.
          • Vitter argues that Clinton resign.
          • His wife Wendy "family values": "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. . . . If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me. . . . I think fear is a very good motivating factor in a marriage. Don't put fear down."

          There's probably much more, probably even more relevant stuff.

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          • 6 votes
          #3.8 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:32 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":862593,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

          Having done many phone records manually it sounds sweet Killfile, technology plus tenacity, what a great combo.

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          • 9 votes
          Reply#4 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
          {"commentId":862598,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

          Its running right now (or should be) -- have a look and give it a spin.

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          • 9 votes
          #4.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:11 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":862907,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

          Great job! Don't listen to the naysayers. This isn't about consensual sex, it's about hypocrisy, something that we have stressed on every newsvine post about this undertaking.

          I knew we could automate the process.

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          • 7 votes
          Reply#5 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:39 PM EDT
          {"commentId":862986,"authorDomain":"tom"}

          The reason why we (Newsvine) invested a little time on this one is because we'd like to facilitate our writers ability to do the requisite R&D for this story, as reporters.

          Clearly there are a lot of people interested in this story, and a fair amount of time/effort being spent on it. If we can scoop another news outlet with a key find, well, that's the sweet fennel right there.

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          • 9 votes
          Reply#6 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:08 PM EDT
          {"commentId":863015,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

          By the way folks, Tom did a fair bit (most? all? I'm not sure) of the leg work on this one though everyone on the NV team was involved in some way or another. He certainly deserves a big thank you.

          Thanks Tom!

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          • 9 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:17 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":863097,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}

          Silly Killfile. lol. Gloriously pointless (in a good way :P)

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#7 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:35 PM EDT
          {"commentId":863753,"authorDomain":"unplugged"}

          Of the things we care so deeply about, I too agree that peripheral DC power players and their Madamly shenanigans are of the utmost import.

          Crowdsource away, let us get to the bottom of this post haste, so that we can continue to ignore real problems again.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#8 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:00 PM EDT
          {"commentId":863834,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

          I was thinking of becoming a pimp in Washington. This is just the tool I needed. Thanks a million Killfile, now I don't have to build a client base!

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#9 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:26 PM EDT
          {"commentId":864198,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}

          keep doing what you do well Killfile..which is exactly what you do now !

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            Reply#10 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:24 PM EDT
            {"commentId":864615,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

            Curious - was the reverse 411 site contacted for their approval? It seems that submitting these queries not only takes up NV bandwidth, but also that of the 411 site.

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#11 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:15 AM EDT
            {"commentId":865067,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

            It's using a public facing website with a public facing query. No exploit was used and it's exactly like any other web user submitting normal requests to the server. If load becomes a problem they can certainly enforce delays and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

            I've been advised that we might want to switch over to Google's reverse 411 for performance issues and I'll probably send a new config file to Tom sometime on Monday to see if he has a moment to insert it.

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            • 1 vote
            #11.1 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:14 AM EDT
            {"commentId":865243,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
            {"commentId":865243,"threadId":"124984","contentId":"834443","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
            • 3 votes
            #11.2 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:09 PM EDT
            {"commentId":865256,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
            Phaedrus72Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Dude, you should go to work for Larry Flynt. I think he pays better.

            Who the hell are you to crap in the oatmeal?

            Seriously, though, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who finds this work salacious. Just watch out for Brian Ford, he might stick his nose in and try to pick a fight with you about this.

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            • 2 votes
            #11.3 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:16 PM EDT
            {"commentId":865265,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

            Heh. My tongue was planted firmly in cheek on that one. As for Brian Ford:

            Brian Ford Ignored

            He's in a very select group consisting of two, with the other member being BabelFish.

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            • 1 vote
            #11.4 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
            {"commentId":865289,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
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            {"commentId":865292,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

            As for my comment about crapping in the oatmeal, that was tounge in cheek as well. Tom, from the newsvine staff, accused me of just that in one of the earlier threads here. Look above and you will see.

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            • 2 votes
            #11.6 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:36 PM EDT
            {"commentId":865316,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

            All of this crap started back when Gary Hart, running for prez in '88 amidst rumors he was having marital troubles, invited the press to follow him around and it's gone steadily downhill since. But what's worse, some Senator hiring a hooker or a Congressman hitting on and scoring with an intern who then turns up murdered?

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            • 1 vote
            #11.7 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:53 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":865277,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
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            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:28 PM EDT
            {"commentId":866654,"authorDomain":"spring"}

            Fantastic work, Killfile. As soon as I get better I can't wait to use it.

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#13 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:12 AM EDT
            {"commentId":866656,"authorDomain":"spring"}

            (and the NV team, of course)

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            • 3 votes
            #13.1 - Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:13 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":869671,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

            In the interest of addressing some of the moral and ethical issues posed I've composed a brief discussion of the issue here.

            The DC Madam: A Moral Quandary

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              Reply#14 - Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:17 PM EDT
              {"commentId":932541,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

              So how's the project going? Any interesting finds so far? I've not heard anything about this in two weeks and i'm not sure if that means you guys didn't find anything or just the ethical battles ended.

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                Reply#15 - Wed Aug 8, 2007 4:30 PM EDT
                {"commentId":932543,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

                How's this project going?

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