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Man Killed By Pet Spider - Devoured By Menagerie of Other Pets

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A MAN who lived in his own "zoo" of lizards and insects was fatally bitten by a pet black widow spider — then eaten by the other creepy-crawlies.

Police broke in to Mark Voegel's apartment to find spider Bettina along with 200 others, several snakes, a gecko lizard called Helmut and several thousand termites had gorged on his body.

Neighbours alerted police after becoming alarmed by the stink.

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{"commentId":918840,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

And I feel a need to go spray my house down with insecticide now.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":919028,"authorDomain":"witchofthenorth"}

The reptiles were allowed to roam free in the flat.

The heating elements on two tanks containing spiders and their termite snacks had exploded and dislodged the metal tops allowing them to escape.

.. this is in an apartment building. I see vacancies in their future.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:38 AM EDT
{"commentId":919067,"authorDomain":"enigmaobscura"}

Who the @!$%# has a pet black widow!? Personally, when I see something 1/300th my size that can kill me with a bite, I tend to stay away, not make it a pet.

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  • 17 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":919101,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}

I had a roommate with a pet black widow once. That idiot would take her out of her cage and let her crawl around on him. When I yelled at him, he'd say, "oh, she knows who feeds her." It's got a brain the size of a dust speck...it doesn't even know what you are, much less who!! He was lucky....he never got bitten, but I moved out.

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  • 16 votes
#3.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:58 AM EDT
{"commentId":919221,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Who the @!$%# has a pet black widow!? Personally, when I see something 1/300th my size that can kill me with a bite, I tend to stay away, not make it a pet.

That's why God invented Raid.

Does Raid work on spiders or do I have to use it in conjunction with a Bic lighter to kill the little bastards?

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  • 11 votes
#3.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":919246,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

Killfile

That's overkill.

All you need is a well-aimed swat. ;)

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  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:45 AM EDT
{"commentId":919305,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

If it's a black widow it's a miracle I don't use a shotgun. I don't like spiders much. Ones that can actually kill me are terrifying.

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  • 13 votes
#3.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":919459,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}

I don't like spiders much. Ones that can actually kill me are terrifying.

Same here, that's why my wife does all of the spider killing in our house!

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  • 3 votes
#3.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:57 AM EDT
{"commentId":919800,"authorDomain":"dotdot"}

If it's a black widow it's a miracle I don't use a shotgun. I don't like spiders much. Ones that can actually kill me are terrifying.

Seriously, just burn the house down to be safe. It could have friends. Besides a shotgun requires you be fairly close to it!

I am sure your insurance company will understand.

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  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":919814,"authorDomain":"martinez"}

Does Raid work on spiders or do I have to use it in conjunction with a Bic lighter to kill the little bastards?

Even if the poison doesn't kill them, I will just drown them in it.

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  • 1 vote
#3.7 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":919830,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

Normally peopel dont die from black widow bites.
Despite being the most poisonous spider in the us
it's bite injects too little off it.
According to here about 1% die from a bite.

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  • 3 votes
#3.8 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":919859,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}

Seriously, just burn the house down to be safe.

I have caught many brown recluses in my house and haven't burned it down yet. I am relying on the idea that "recluse" is not a misnomer. I assume that they are shy and non-aggressive. Having said that, I know at least 3 people that have been bitten. Have you ever seen a recluse bite (scroll down for the real gagmakers)?

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  • 7 votes
#3.9 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":920059,"authorDomain":"witchofthenorth"}

oh WaltD!! I got as far as the back of the neck shot.

I have never heard of this "recluse" - must not be part of our Canadian fauna - and I hope I never do.

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  • 3 votes
#3.10 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":920374,"authorDomain":"kai"}

Have you ever seen a recluse bite (scroll down for the real gagmakers)?

Holy! Is that even repairable? Is there a "cure"?

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  • 5 votes
#3.11 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 4:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":920413,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}

Is there a "cure"?

I looked it up. It said "antivenom exists but is not available" whatever that means.

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  • 4 votes
#3.12 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 4:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":920519,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

I'm with Glinda. I couldn't go any further after that neck shot. My 13-yo son said it made him sick, too.

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  • 3 votes
#3.13 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 5:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":921335,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}

There was a small outbreak of recluse bite incidents in the on-campus housing at the university I attended. I was unfortunate enough to be in the lobby at Health Services when two of the people who had been bitten were also waiting. And they were comparing their wounds! *gag*

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  • 4 votes
#3.14 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":925374,"authorDomain":"japark"}

You need to seek treatment within 24 to 36 hours after the bite.

Antibiotics help if started soon.

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  • 1 vote
#3.15 - Mon Aug 6, 2007 8:46 AM EDT
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{"commentId":919109,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

I guess they were too far away from the burger king or the supermarkets to grab a bite to eat. ;).

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  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":920520,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

Cute, Shaun v., thanks for the comic relief!

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  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 5:30 PM EDT
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{"commentId":919163,"authorDomain":"chum"}

Et tu, Helmut? Just curious--how did they know the names? It does seem like cosmic justice though--mother nature saying, umm...no, you can't tame me.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":919210,"authorDomain":"japark"}

Natural selection at work.

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  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":926176,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

He should qualify for the Darwin awards, if he didn't reproduce.

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  • 1 vote
#6.1 - Mon Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM EDT
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{"commentId":919243,"authorDomain":"defex"}

Termites eat dead humans now? i thought they ate wood.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":919824,"authorDomain":"mubarak-hussein"}

Modern civilization is slowly stripping humans of emotions and turning them wooden.

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  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":920236,"authorDomain":"Rebecca-Yarowsky"}

Termites eat dead humans now? i thought they ate wood.

The guy was obviously a blockhead. Smart termites!

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  • 4 votes
#7.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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{"commentId":919244,"authorDomain":"defex"}

How long before there is a CSI episode about that, except the jealous wife/lover/bug supplier/ set the spider loose on purpose.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 10:44 AM EDT
{"commentId":919310,"authorDomain":"kylew"}

One time I saw a black widow spider and I immediately ran the other way. I can't believe anyone would keep them for a pet.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
{"commentId":919372,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}

I've heard that typically black widow bites are not fatal, but they do induce sever reactions, such as painful spasms. You're supposed to have plenty of time to get anti-venom, and sometimes you don't need it. I wonder what happened to where he couldn't get help?

Maybe a mass revolution against a vile taskmaster?

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  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:25 AM EDT
{"commentId":919431,"authorDomain":"souffle"}

Yeah, I've read that they're rarely fatal too. Maybe it was an exceptionally large spider and he didn't seek help after being bitten.

Then again, maybe it was suicide by creepie crawlies.

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  • 3 votes
#10.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:45 AM EDT
{"commentId":922686,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Maybe it was his chosen form of suicide....and burial.

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    #10.2 - Sat Aug 4, 2007 5:37 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":919407,"authorDomain":"basseq"}

    I've heard that typically black widow bites are not fatal, but they do induce sever reactions, such as painful spasms.

    True. It's certainly not instantaneous.

    I've killed a few in my time.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#11 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
    {"commentId":919417,"authorDomain":"ryaninc"}

    That is one of the most messed up stories I've ever read. I'm so glad I had the chance to enlighten myself with that. /sarcasm :-)

    Seriously, who does that? He seems a prime candidate for the Darwin Award, if you ask me.

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    • 6 votes
    Reply#12 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:40 AM EDT
    {"commentId":919505,"authorDomain":"rightenough"}

    I thought black widow bites were supposed to be painful, but not always deadly?

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#13 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 12:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":919592,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}

    True.

    Also tarantula bites are supposed to be extremely painful (just look at the fangs), but hardly ever life threatening.

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    • 3 votes
    #13.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 12:35 PM EDT
    {"commentId":919819,"authorDomain":"martinez"}

    I heard the opposite. I was told it feels like a bee sting. In Tucson, you grow up with them. They are very docile. Just be careful of the hairs on their backs. If you piss them off, they will scrap them on your face and in your eyes.

    Really though, it's the only spider you can use as a pet. They are pretty safe to let crawl on you.

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      #13.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":919835,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

      my link above.. only 1% die from bites, they are deadly but not as deadly as most think.
      I think he shouldnt have gotten the crack head spider

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      • 2 votes
      #13.3 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":920084,"authorDomain":"witchofthenorth"}

      Oh hurray - it's back! That is a hilarious satire of clips the Canadian gov used to do called "Hinterland Who's Who" and they have blocked some of the other uploads on Youtube.

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      • 1 vote
      #13.4 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:16 PM EDT
      {"commentId":920574,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

      I did enjoy the crack head spider!

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        #13.5 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 5:46 PM EDT
        {"commentId":922697,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

        I don't like animal experimentation of any kind, even on insects. Does he also enjoy burning ants with a magnifying glass?

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          #13.6 - Sat Aug 4, 2007 5:42 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":919833,"authorDomain":"mubarak-hussein"}

          Lived by the insects, died by the insects, dined by the insects.

          RIP, my friend.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#14 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
          {"commentId":919874,"authorDomain":"parago"}

          How sad is it that a 30year old man can be dead in his apartment for 1-2 weeks without anyone missing him? And yea.. I agree with Chum.. where did they get the alleged names? Creepy.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#15 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT
          {"commentId":919931,"authorDomain":"Serenity78"}

          *LOL!* I can't imagine why one would want to spray the house with insecticide... ;-) Though I agree with I think it was Enigma. Who in their right mind owns a black widow as a pet? That's just crazy. Not me thank you! I hate creepy crawlies of any kind and if my husband even tried to have a pet spider, it would die an untimely death the minute his back was turned. ;-)

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          • 1 vote
          Reply#16 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
          {"commentId":920048,"authorDomain":"sthig"}

          I got bit by a brown recluse once and it left a nasty mark on my leg (actually flesh just started falling out from the wound marks) but I didn't die from it (or maybe I did and I'm just...just a Zombie!...who can type 150 wpm).

          I like snakes and would love one as a pet, but here's the deal among most snakes and insects...they don't look at you as the affectionate caretaker like say, a dog would. so I don't own one and just marvel at them in zoos...and occasionally my yard.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#17 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:09 PM EDT
          {"commentId":920206,"authorDomain":"webweasel"}

          I may never sleep again.

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          • 3 votes
          Reply#18 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:46 PM EDT
          {"commentId":920275,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

          Anyone recall a crummy scifi movie -- pre-1998 -- about a plane crash that causes thousands of spiders to go beserk and attack people???
          Can't find title of it. Anyway, this story called that old movie to mind. Saw it on Sci-Fi Theatre, I believe, the one where there's an alien and a robot (?) in a movie theatre at the beginning of movie.

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          • 1 vote
          Reply#19 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 4:06 PM EDT
          {"commentId":922758,"authorDomain":"whyren"}

          Never heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting. Make those undead spiders that turn people into zombies when bitten, and you've got a hit!

          {"commentId":922758,"threadId":"133311","contentId":"875392","authorDomain":"whyren"}
          • 1 vote
          #19.1 - Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:19 PM EDT
          {"commentId":924204,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

          OK! Interested in a co-writing gig?
          As for the rest of us -- how many will start sleeping with mosquito netting around their beds??? Raise your hands now - netting is cheap protection.
          Oh, and remember the James Bond movie where Dr No sends a baddie with a tarantula??? Bond swatted that creeper but good...

          {"commentId":924204,"threadId":"133311","contentId":"875392","authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}
            #19.2 - Sun Aug 5, 2007 3:20 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":920367,"authorDomain":"kylen"}

            Had one of these in my back yard a couple months ago. I killed it with my booted foot and continued gardening. They are not fun but they aren't that likely to kill you as a healthy adult. I destroyed egg sacks too near it but I think one got away because little over a week ago I acquired two bites that swelled up to huge fist sized knots on my leg but went away after 4 or 5 days on their own. My leg cramped pretty bad off and on first day and I was dizzy if I looked up so it's possible it was a black widow bite, whatever it was certainly wasn't pleasant. The marks are still there but doesn't even itch anymore.

            I work for doctors but for some reason I hate going to see one :)

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#20 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 4:35 PM EDT
            {"commentId":920599,"authorDomain":"sisterwarrior"}

            Sounds to me like you were lucky, KyleN. I stay as far away from spiders as possible. I seem to be allergic to 'regular' spider bites--the ones that aren't poisonous--and I itch and swell up like crazy (also poison ivy and poison oak, but that's not this topic). So it terrifies me to think what would happen should I be bitten by a truly bad spider. Perhaps I'd look like that horrible 'neck' picture in #3.9, or just swell up until I exploded. Yikes.

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            • 2 votes
            #20.1 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 5:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":921402,"authorDomain":"kylen"}

            I think (being not a doctor) that allergies are the worst part of insect bites. Fortunately I'm either not allergic to anything or at least nothing that has bit me has caused me real issues. I've been bee stung, wasp stung, many types of spider bite (most I couldn't ID), damn fire ants bite me once a month at least and of course mosquitoes more times than I'd care to think about.

            But allergies are weird you might be fine with black widow venom but nearly die from a tree spider. I knew a man who died from bee stings :( He was at his home out in the country and nobody else was home to help him. So the safest thing when around dangerous anything is have somebody else around checking on you or with you. Very little will kill you immediately and nearly everything can be treated and not kill you with help soon enough.

            But the most important thing is not to allow fear to rule your life. Being outdoors is great, I love computers but enjoying the forest or my garden is special. No fear of bugs will take that away.

            {"commentId":921402,"threadId":"133311","contentId":"875392","authorDomain":"kylen"}
            • 1 vote
            #20.2 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:36 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":920713,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

            And... I'm never sleeping again.

            Ever.

            I'm serious.

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#21 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 6:42 PM EDT
            {"commentId":921313,"authorDomain":"silkmesh"}

            As I live in a country full of creepy crawlies, snakes, mosquitoes (dengue, malaria) even a poisonous frog that can kill, the story is not so shocking. We use Baygon in the house, but what the hell do you use in the garden?

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              Reply#22 - Fri Aug 3, 2007 11:02 PM EDT
              {"commentId":921786,"authorDomain":"themikeyshow"}

              I hate when you read articles like this or watch something on TV you start looking around and itching yourself 'cause it feels like somethings on you...

              crap whats that over there...

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              • 5 votes
              Reply#23 - Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:50 AM EDT
              {"commentId":928878,"authorDomain":"supersymmetry1"}

              While black widow spider bites aren't generally lethal, depending on who is bitten, some people have adverse reactions from the bite several months later. Black widows tend to stay in dark places which necessitates caution when blindly reaching into any dark place.

              Amazing the creatures that inhabit our earth with us. There are spiders in Australia that are many, many times more venomous than the black widow and kill several people each year and as human habitation creeps further and further into the wilderness, more and more people will have problems.

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                Reply#24 - Tue Aug 7, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
                {"commentId":1734627,"authorDomain":"gnhills"}

                Oh....let me add....
                Did you know that we all EAT spiders in our sleep---supposidly over 300 EVERY YEAR? That might be why we have that bad taste in our mouths when we wake up!!!! I know..disgusting....;) I about died when my cousin filled me in on that. I thought he was yanking my chain...but it is supposedly...true. All I want to know ..who is counting if that would be the case...really? Did a number of people lay in beds for a year and the scientists watch them eat them one by one....and they woke up to say..."Oh...let me volunteer again!" "Yes, sir..you ate....1,2,3...10 this week. Let's see how many you eat next week."

                I was looking up termites and this is the story I got. A man eaten alive by his pet's meal..which were t be the termites. Instead they ate HIM. I am for sure making sure the exterminator sprays--as I am trying to kill whatever is out there on my house right now!!!!

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