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Watch Your Wallet... And Your Bills

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Most Americans who receive any form of local or long distance phone service can expect a several page bill, even for the most limited and simplistic of packages, featuring arcane sounding terms like "Federal Subscriber Line Charge" and "EAC Rate Svc." Complex and confounding statements from everything from Credit Card to your Satellite TV providers have become commonplace in the American experience, enough so that thousands will dutifully toss off a check for whatever is listed next to "amount due" and be done with the entire accursed mess.

And that's just what "they" want you to do.

"They" of course, are service providers. Phone, cable, credit, electrical - whatever the product, there is money to be made in the subtlety and nuance of obfuscated charges and mysterious line items. It is a technique pioneered by the nation's more unsavory credit card companies charges Elizabeth Warren, professor of bankruptcy law at Harvard Law School.1 Profit margins on customers who religiously pay their bills on time are thin indeed, but a tidy sum can be made by charging those same diligent bill-payers an obscure and unsubstantiated fee. Most, Warren asserts, will skip right over the cryptic charge and pay the bill as usual, and even those that take note are likely to have little patience with long hold times, random transfers, and maddeningly inept phone menu systems.

From 1996 to 2003, Credit Card Company revenues from fees more than quadrupled, to $7.7 billion2 and today they are larger still. Where pioneers find profit, the marketplace as a whole is quick to follow and while Credit Cards continue to lead the way, customer advocacy groups allege fraudulent charges on all manner of other bills and services.

By way of example, Verizon Communications, a telephone and data services company operating landlines throughout much of the Eastern United States, has drawn a glut of complaints from customers over third-party charges. The underlying structure of national telephone networks allows third parties to charge telephone accounts and collect those charges through the service provider, which then offloads the charge onto the customer. While this makes Verizon a more sympathetic participant in the entire sordid mess, it does little to defray the cost of the fraudulent charges passed on to Verizon's customers.

The practice of inserting these charges is called "cramming," and it has attracted the ire of Verizon, AT&T, and SBC customers from New York to Virginia. In one fairly prevalent scam, charges are "crammed" into the bill by charging the account for receiving fictitious collect calls or else for using a cleverly disguised and massively marked up directory assistance line. The additions often appear under a heading like "Miscellaneous Charges and Credits," typically under the official sounding auspices of the "Operator Assistance Network." An average "call" plus a vague and poorly defined "USF Carrier Admin Fee" and tax runs the typical customer about $7.50: hardly a fortune, but multiplied over potentially thousands of phone bills, a tidy sum nonetheless.

Local phone companies plead that they have no option but to push the charges through under existing laws, but little is being done to either inform or defend thescam's victims from further abuse. What few customers manage to conform to the absurd support hours, penetrate the infuriating voice driven telephone menu systems, and suffer the extended wait times featured by Verizon and other local phone providers are met with disappointment. Even after repeated requests, Verizon refuses to credit the charge back to its customers, referring them to a complaint line for the "Operator Assistance Network" instead.

Suspiciously, the OAN's questions line runs like a well oiled machine. Wait times are almost non-existent and the call center employees are over-eager to void the charge from a customer's phone bill - often doing so before even being asked. Even so, while waiting for the tech to complete the void request, customers may expect a lengthy and protracted explanation of why the "10 15 15 800" (typically appearing on phone bills as a call to 101-515-8000) service under contention is so desirable - a masterfully crafted sales pitch by any stretch of the imagination. Contentious customers may wish to ask that the service be blocked from their phones in the future. OAN will generally comply with this request without complaint.

Expect to wait two months for any promised credit to appear for a contested charge.

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If you've been hit by this scam, don't hesitate to call about it. There may be a number listed in the fine print on your bill for you to call. Failing that, call your local phone company and ask them who you should call.

Also - keep an eye on your credit cards, particularly if you pay them on time and don't carry a balance. Those "let's see if we can get away with it" charges can add up, and generally all that's required in a simple call of inquiry to get them reversed.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":949553,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

I think the problem really boils down to how we track credit. We don't dare delay a payment for a bill to dispute it in fear that they will report us to the credit bureaus, ruining our credit. Its even more of a pain to remove a bad item from our credit reports than it is to dispute a bad bill. And it takes time. So if you plan to buy a new car, or take out a student loan then you dare not hesitate to pay every questionable bill. Not only that, but some credit cards are set to hike up your interest rates if your credit score changes, even if you never miss a payment to them.

This is all because we trust faceless companies and databases more than we trust people.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":949575,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

That's all true Adam, but the root of this problem really comes back to people's inherent hatred of dealing with Customer Service.

Using Verizon as an example, you have to call them between 8:00 am and 6:00 pm M-F. Most of us are working during those hours. You'll have to wade through their voice recognizing phone system which is absurdly bad and which goes at least four menus deep in most areas. If you screw up, there's no obvious way to go back.

Then you get to have the system try to solve your problem using its automatic troubleshooting - which of course doesn't address the issue at hand since you are trying to contest a charge.

Then, when you finally get an agent on the line, they're going to ask you for your phone number and your account number. Calling from work? Did you remember to bring your bill so you'd have the number?

Now you're going to get an irritated Verizon rep who's going to tell you that this isn't even the right number. You need to call some other number. No, they can't transfer you.

Of course the same thing is true of credit cards etc. Most of us don't even know we can challenge these charges. Even those who do certainly don't look forward to the hour commitment to get anything fixed.

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  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":949708,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

Customer service wouldn't be so bad, if we didn't treat the customer as guilty until proven innocent.

The system that I would like would be if I found a charge I wanted to dispute then I would send the payment for the bill for everything except that charge, fill out my dispute of that charge on some form and then mail it to them. It is then their responsibility to contact me regarding working out this issue to collect the money.

Instead, if you send a payment that is not full today, they'll just report you to a credit agency, ruin your credit report and eventually sick a collection agency on you. At all times you are treated as guilty and the party 100% responsible to sort everything out.

I think you should be considered innocent and it is their responsibility to sort the bill out if they want the payment.

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#2.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:58 PM EDT
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{"commentId":949602,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}

I called AT&T (used to be SBC) the other day to contest a $3 charge we had on our home phone line for long distance. We never call long distance on the home phone, we always use our cell phones for that anyway. (Frankly, I don't even know why we need a home phone, except for the fact that it makes it easier to get calls from telemarketers or random pollsters, but I digress.)

They insisted that it would cost me ~$9 to remove the $3 charge. I was ticked, and let the friendly AT&T person know that. They didn't do a thing about it, just kept insisting (rather forcefully, but that may be because I was upset) that it was absolutely necessary. I ended up agreeing to it, although I should've escalated my complaint.

Anyhow, good article Killfile. Nice to see something completely unrelated to politics, religion or war. :)

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  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":949669,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

Anyhow, good article Killfile. Nice to see something completely unrelated to politics, religion or war. :)

Now we'll get to see if the community really wants that or just says it wants that.

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  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":949716,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

Frankly, I don't even know why we need a home phone, except for the fact that it makes it easier to get calls from telemarketers or random pollsters, but I digress.

I don't have one. I tried an IP phone for a year, never actually plugged it into the cable modem and then said screw it, I'll just use my cell. I hope more cell companies go the T-Mobile route and let you use your home wireless to make an IP call when you are home.

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    #3.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:00 PM EDT
    {"commentId":949764,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

    That insanely cool feature addition got overlooked in the iPhone hype. Does your cell respond to the same number in IP mode under that system?

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    #3.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":950441,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

    I don't have the phone. T-Mobile doesn't have enough other coverage in my area. But I believe it responds to the same number. If it didn't that ruins a ton of usefulness. Or maybe if someone calls you it responds in normal cell mode, but if you dial out then you use the wireless.

    This is definitely a real revolutionary feature that is truly customer friendly. Once most networks pick the feature up (and competition will drive them to eventually) we really can replace the home phone with the cell phone.

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      #3.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:26 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":949700,"authorDomain":"tang"}

      I was very happy ever since I ditched my home phone to get by with only a mobile phone, that is, until I got my iPhone and now get very spotty service at my house with AT&T.

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      Reply#4 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:56 PM EDT
      {"commentId":949714,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

      That's the way of the world with GSM Calvin. Not much you can do about it. Maybe you can configure your iPhone to do Skypish things on your home network?

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      • 3 votes
      #4.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:59 PM EDT
      {"commentId":949769,"authorDomain":"coloradobob1"}

      Calvin

      Pioneers get the arrows in their butts.

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      • 1 vote
      #4.2 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:20 PM EDT
      {"commentId":949905,"authorDomain":"tang"}

      It's not that it's GSM. Actually, T-Mobile worked really well at my house. There's no way I'd give my iPhone up now, even if I have to stand on my roof to make calls (as it is now, there are a couple corners of my house where I can talk on the phone if I keep it on speakerphone).

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      #4.3 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:16 PM EDT
      {"commentId":950530,"authorDomain":"martinez"}

      ATT is terrible is AZ too.

      A friend of mine had their service, but got out of the contract simply by complaining about the service in a lot of areas. They know how bad it is. As far as the billing is concerned, I used to work in Verizon Billing (residential land lines), I know what is going to happen. They send you a book of a bill and say you can call in to ask for the "bill detail" removed, because you don't want to receive the document box every month. The remove it. Now you get that nice little envelope, but no longer know what you are paying for. ATT's service is so shoddy, you go roaming in between buildings, and they start charging you over fifty cents a minute.

      Verizon should have picked up the iPhone. They're crooks to, but their signal is the strongest.

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      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:02 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1430125,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

      T-Mobile has far better coverage then AT&T, Thats my only problem with the iPhone.

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      • 2 votes
      #4.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:07 PM EST
      {"commentId":1430341,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

      Calvin, I have the exact same problem. I had coverage inside with T-Mobile, switched for iPhone, now no coverage inside except on the top floor. It's a real drag.

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      #4.6 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:19 AM EST
      {"commentId":1430915,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

      In my office, I can inside the elevator and use my T-Mobile, the people with AT&T have to stand on the balcony outside to get the same coverage and they have no coverage in the halls at all. But I want a iPhone..So I ended up with a iTouch instead.

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      • 3 votes
      #4.7 - Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:28 AM EST
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      {"commentId":950345,"authorDomain":"onlynow99"}

      Isn't there some class action thing we can do about all these charges instead of each individual calling about a $3 charge?

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      Reply#5 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:37 PM EDT
      {"commentId":950400,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

      Sadly no -- not that I'm aware of.

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      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:05 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":950484,"authorDomain":"ThinkingRocks"}

      My wife and I ditched our land line when we realized that, since we both had cell phones, no one we wanted to talk to ever called the land line. As a matter of fact, 99.9% of the time, incoming calls just pissed me off. My problem with land lines isn't questionable charges. It's that, somewhere along the line, they stopped being our personal devices for our own use and became public domain that anyone can use for whatever reason they see fit. It annoys me when some stranger uses a service I pay for to attempt to sell me something.

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      • 6 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":950852,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

      My question is: Usually when you have to give a phone number for ID, they want a land line phone. So how do you guys handle that?
      I went w/o a land phone for a while, but was forced to get one when I wanted to job hunt. There are other situations too that want a land line ph#, like credit card accts and other things I cannot think of right now...
      PS - I like Tracfone for cell svc. It is so much easier to go online to buy either minutes or months, whichever, in any quantity. Pay as you go so you don't get forced to buy minutes you don't use.
      Land line co. is Qwest - there you can go online too and email with questions, or get someone live.

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      Reply#7 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:57 AM EDT
      {"commentId":951075,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

      What I've been doing recently is this. I signed up for a free account at Grand Central (recently aquired by Google) and used the phone number they gave me. GC's software will let me do all sorts of cool things with my existing phone numbers as extensions of their phone number and as a result I can give out a number that comes with all kinds of built in protections for me without sacrificing the reliability of a land-line (or the mobility of my cell)

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      • 1 vote
      #7.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:16 AM EDT
      {"commentId":952463,"authorDomain":"ThinkingRocks"}

      My question is: Usually when you have to give a phone number for ID, they want a land line phone.

      I've never run into this. I've never had anyone so much as blink when I give them a cell phone number.

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      • 1 vote
      #7.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":952512,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

      Some pizza places used to do this. Too many prank calls for cells ordering a triple anchovy and garlic to be delivered to the Math Teacher's house.

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      • 1 vote
      #7.3 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:54 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":951056,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

      Killfile: How we avoided these problems was by signing up for the complete package from our broadband cable provider. Free long distance anywhere, cable TV, broadband connection, all at a fixed rate. The bill is the same every month with no hidden charges. I highly recommend it.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:52 AM EDT
      {"commentId":951070,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

      That actually doesn't apply to these sorts of charges much as it doesn't apply to calls to 900 numbers. Charges may be levied against your phone bill irrespective of your package level. In many ways it is treated like a bank account with your phone number serving as the routing number.

      Many of the individuals hit by this have unlimited long-distance or a package such as you describe.

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      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:13 AM EDT
      {"commentId":951161,"authorDomain":"jedipunk"}

      I would think having a fixed rate package, however, will make it easier to identify the cramming charges. Other folks may pay smaller charges without ever knowing they are paying extra due to the simple fact the bill fluctuates every month.

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      • 1 vote
      #8.2 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:08 AM EDT
      {"commentId":951265,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}

      Good point. I have a fixed rate plan on my landline but am thinking about scaling back to help pay the iPhone bill. Unlike Calvin, I must be right next to a tower. My coverage is great. That might be because the Cingular network was big here in the DC area when it was still Cellular One.

      And as for Verizon: the only thing they have innovated in the last decade has been billing. They are most definitely not a technology company or a utility, but a collections agency.

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      • 1 vote
      #8.3 - Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:04 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":953884,"authorDomain":"lexeme"}

      Has anyone documented the Verizon practice of over-billing such as charges for incalling and then suggesting (urging) a higher cost more-minutes plan as a result of the tripling of the monthly cost?

      Within the last ninety days, Verizon has wrongly charged my account for several hundred dollars to prompt me to give up the plan style I entered their service with in 2000; one that is no longer offered.
      I finally relented and agreed to a new contract having been given the promise to monitor and never allow these excessive charges again.

      The fraud continues. I called to cancel the contract and of course I am offered that option for a large buy-back fee. The supervisor who gave me such strong, comforting support is no where to be found.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#9 - Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:17 AM EDT
      {"commentId":954651,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

      I'm reminded of something I read yesterday. It was the Washington Post or the
      New York Times coverage of the court proceeding regarding the challenge of
      the spying by the government. At one point a government lawyer said the law is very
      complicated and a judge said it can't be any more complicated than my phone bill.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#10 - Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":955414,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

      Another thing which I consider a scam -- the big charge for call blocking. Why shouldn't that be free, just like email blocking? Can anyone argue that somehow it actually costs $20/30 per month just to block a caller? I don't think so...

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:21 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1020188,"authorDomain":"Crackshot"}

      OK, from one with a little experience with these phone people!!!!

      It takes several months and numerous calls to the FCC (Thats Federal Communications Commission, if you did not know) To finally get these phone creps off your back. Happened to me over a $6,500.00, that right $6,500.00 phone bill from MCI a couple of years back. Until the FCC ruled and I sent that ruling to MCI they hounded me every month over those charges, wich were made while I was living alone and most times while I was away from the house. I was "CLONED"

      Have fun folks, the "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" will how ever put a lock on your line(complete with password) if you request it. But you have to request it. They will not offer it.

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:38 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1428697,"authorDomain":"dougmatt"}

      Received ATT bill and it included the $7.45 for 10 15 15 800 director assistance. Called 800# listed by ATT for explanation, and spoke to call center operator. Complained about the charge, believing I was speaking to ATT, but I was not. Operator agreed to refund the money and block any further charges. Then called ATT and complained. ATT operator sounded like she had received numerous of these complaints and appeared to be apologetic. I received refund check for $7.45 in two days.

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        Reply#13 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 12:10 PM EST
        {"commentId":1429450,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

        Google has a free directory assistance number. 1-800-GOOG-411 for looking up numbers of businesses. NO ads and no fee, will even connect you for free. I just found out about this, and have not even had a chance to try it out.
        But I read about it on e-newsletter from Everyday Cheapskate.

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#14 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:28 PM EST
        {"commentId":1429907,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

        I use GOOG411 all the time. I love the service though the voice-to-text technology is a little sketchy sometimes.

        The system learns, however, and I've seen marked improvements since I started with it.

        Also, remember that you can also do local searches with Goog411. Today, for example, I found a Cuban restaurant near Pasadena California, checked to see if they had mojhitos, and what their lunch hours were.

        Very cool.

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        #14.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:19 PM EST
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