Garry Kasparov, Vocal Critic of Vladimir Putin, Seized by Russian Police

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Garry Kasparov, arrested today near Pushkinskaya Square in Moscow for subversive activities, is the epitome of the big fish in the small pond which through its unfettered ambition, became a tiddler in the shark-infested waters of the Ocean. Garry Kasparov, the Grand Master of chess, is the political pawn who has sold his soul to the traitors who plot Russia's demise and who in turn will leave him stranded after he fails to be elected.

Talk about propaganda. You're all talk with no substance. You haven't yet said a single thing that Kasparov has done which makes him a "traitor". What specific things has he said which are treasonous?

You haven't yet said a single thing

That is the only thing you got right.

As for propaganda, do you really think AP is a better news source than Pravda ?? It's a tough one to call for me, but while Pravda is guilty of disinformation on occasion I would say that generally they have more substance than AP. It's like comparing non-alcoholic beer with lite beer, AP being the former, It looks like beer smells like plastic grass and tastes like sewerage.

As for propaganda, do you really think AP is a better news source than Pravda ??

Absolutely.

Why am I not surprised :(

You shouldn't be, because AP is obviously a more reliable source than Pravda. Regardless of whether you think AP is biased, it is at least far more reliable than Pravda.

I'm not even sure why this came up. I pointed out that you had not given any reason to think that Kasparov was a traitor. You still have not done so. Instead you changed the subject.

Nice try Adam Kemp but we are not talking about South America here, we are talking about Russia. AP's reporting of events in Russia is about as reliable as their florida desks reports on Cuba.

Kasparov is a traitor because he has accepted money from the USA, to fund his worthless Liberal party. I did give reasons why he was a traitor, you just did what AP does and it's readers do, that is, iognore what you dont want to hear.

Russia has enough problems of her own at the moment without any intervention from the west, and in this case particularly Britain not the US, If Russian internationalists did this a few years ago they would have found themselves at the McCarthy trials,

Kasparov is a traitor because he has accepted money from the USA, to fund his worthless Liberal party.

Ok, so accepting money from the USA makes you a traitor? No, sorry, that doesn't cut it.

Russia has enough problems of her own at the moment without any intervention from the west, and in this case particularly Britain not the US, If Russian internationalists did this a few years ago they would have found themselves at the McCarthy trials,

Kasparov is Russian. He is running as a Russian with a mind of his own. He is not a Western puppet. Putin is a terrible leader who is taking Russia back to the Soviet days of fear and intimidation. Kasparov wants that to end.

It's interesting that you bring up McCarthy. That is a dark chapter of American history which we look back on with great disappointment. America failed to live up to its principles and allowed someone to use fear and intimidation to control people and make fellow Americans turn on each other. That is the kind of thing that Putin is bringing back to Russia and will continue to bring back as long as he is allowed to. McCarty is not an example you should be striving for. McCarthyism was one of the darkest periods of American history, and Kasparov is trying to move Russia away from that. And for this you call him a traitor.

No, you still haven't made any real case for him being a traitor. Instead, you've just made more assertions that make no sense at all. So I ask again, more specifically. What actual actions has Kasparov done or what positions does he hold which make him a traitor? Give examples. No more of your substance-less rants about the AP or the West. What has Kasparov actually done which you dislike so much?

That is a dark chapter of American history which we look back on with great disappointment. America failed to live up to its principles and allowed someone to use fear and intimidation to control people and make fellow Americans turn on each other. That is the kind of thing that Putin is bringing back to Russia and will continue to bring back as long as he is allowed to. McCarty is not an example you should be striving for.

That's more like it Adam Kemp, see you can make a good case "Eventually"

Next time try to do it in the first comment, rather than trolling on and on.

Another thing this habit that is common amongst Americans of attempting to personalize an issue, as you have here, is what is known as a "Small Target Attack" It does you no favours, It's not me you need to be attacking for saying Kasperov is a traitor, it's the Kremlin.

What has Kasparov actually done which you dislike so much?

Nothing. I just dont get why Americans think they know what is going on within Russian politics or why they would have any solutions.

Who's trolling? I'm asking for answers and you're ranting about the evil AP. Even now you have no answers to my question other than you don't really have a problem with Kasparov at all. You're still all talk and no substance.

Yet another small target attack, Maybe we should refer to you as a lower case b Blogger.

I am not saying anything as I have said, I am pointing out that the Russian people and media have a very different view of this, and showing you that AP is not reporting this properly is part of that.

You dont want to talk about Russian politics, you just want to justify your own ego by launching into small target smears on me. I am only using the arguments posed by the Russian media and the Kremlin. You have no response to this other than a personal smear.

Why is this? because I dont agree with you. LOL Mr lower case b Blogger, ha I think I just invented a new internet term.

I want to talk about the fact that you repeatedly called Kasparov a traitor and now refuse to back up that idiotic claim with any substance. Now you have the audacity to say that I'm smearing someone? Calling someone a traitor is a pretty big smear. I haven't said anything about you that isn't backed up by your own posts. You have said plenty about Kasparov that you now refuse to even defend. Stand by your posts or admit that they were wrong. Stop dodging the issue.

Also, I'm not a blogger at all (uppercase or lowercase).

Again I am not calling anything, I am quoting from the Kremlin line

Now you're just lying. Here's what you said:

Kasparov is a traitor because he has accepted money from the USA, to fund his worthless Liberal party.

That was not a quote. That was your statement.

Kasparov financed from CIA. Kasparov the traitor. Kasparov would pay to people in the street that they represented themselves beaten by militia and used ...
www.englishrussia.com

Just google Kaspy and traitor, 20,000 + hits.

Once again the lower case b blogger goes for the small target attack. Now why dont you show us if you can take a shot at the Kremlin, or are you a jelly fish.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You called Kasparov a traitor. Those were your words. I asked you to back them up, and now all you can do is point to other people with the same opinion. Do you have a mind of your own? Do you have an opinion of your own? Stand up for own statements or quit making statements you can't stand by. If anyone is being weak here it's you for not standing up for your own claims.

I know you have no idea what Im talking about Adam. This is because this trivial incident is what titillates Americans like you. So what is important to Americans is this, but what is really important is that Putin has torn up the C.F.E. Gee Thanks America. Why cant you people mind your own biz.

How arrogant are you people why is you think that you are global cop, judge, jury, executioner, surgeon and savior all in one.

Just looking at your press I see the No.1 question asked of G.O.P. candidates is do they believe everyword in the Bible, LOL what a bunch of utter loonies, and you wonder why the world thinks you are all Idiots.

How can you live with yourselves, when you have in one sentence people saying what a hero Nelson Mandela is and how evil Fidel Castro is. Do you have any concept of History, do you even know where Namibia is, or Angola, or how apartheid ended ???

All you have proven here Adam is what we outside the US already knew, that you are a trivial bunch of wedge issue losers, What kind of troglodytes decide elections on issues such as right to life and gay marriage

I cant believe he torn up the CFE, I hold the US responsible for that and particularly brainless F&^wits like you. How can you be debating Kasperov, who has no chance of even beating the Communists. You are the Archetypical American arrogant idiot. I hope the first nuke lands smack bang in your face

I can see that you have no interest in discussing my posts. Instead you're attacking positions I don't have and things I've never said. You just write long anti-American rants which have absolutely nothing to do with anything I said. So forget this. You are completely not worth my time. Welcome to my ignore list. You're only the 3rd person to earn the distinction of "absolutely not worth reading".

How much of Kasparov's current situation (as opposed to simply disappearing) is because the person selected happens to be famous and that Russia is now forced to be made accountable for its actions by citizen journalism, and how much of this is actually "a measure of progress"?

I honestly couldn't say for certain.

Is anyone going to get around to talking about kasparov or Russian politics??

Dont be silly MinnieApolis, This is classic American self censorship, The stuff the USSR leaders could only dream of. No yank will speak on this for fear of being branded a pinko Commie Traitor. The Ghost of McCarthy looms large over the USA.

As for Russian politics, Putin has polled an 80% approval rating. He is the most popular leader in Post USSR history. He has given their economy 7% growth, and restored National pride. As for Russians and Democracy, they associate Democracy with Corruption elitism, and disorder. When People like The Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who has repeatedly said he is plotting the violent overthrow of President Putin from his base in Britain, make the claim that they and their oil buddies "own" 50% of Russia, you can understand why the Russian people dont want anything to do with their brand of Democracy.

This is just another reason why these people are seen as traitors that are anti-Russian. Kaspreov has been detained for five days as a punishment for protesting at the Kremlin without a permit.

When peaceful protests against your government are crimes punishable by jail time or worse, then you don't get to talk about approval polls. Such polls have no meaning if dissent is punished.

You read far to many AP articles, I a peaceful group of protesters jumped the barricades at the Whitehouse of started a protest without permission or burnt the US flag in protest what would happen to them.

Your Hypocrisy is astounding Adam Kemp, and people who think like you have no place in the 21st century. Once people who think and act like you are neutralized or worse, then the world can get on with solving it's problems, instead of being crippled by these stupid American wedge issues.

Jumping barracades at the Whitehouse is hardly peaceful. That's a security issue. People do get away with burning a flag all the time, though.

people who think like you have no place in the 21st century.

People who think like what? That there should be freedom of speech and freedom to voice dissent? We should go back to oppressive regimes which ban these things? You're not making much sense here.

People who think like what?

People who refuse to respect other cultures on the grounds that they must be correct because they have been indoctrinated with western christian values.

That there should be freedom of speech and freedom to voice dissent?

But is this a case of that, ?? I dont think so, this is a political power play, and you dont allow for the POV of the Russian people, this is American exclusiveness/ imperialism, Why dont you take off your snake skin jack boots and put yourself into the (birch bark) shoes of the average Russian. Dont you care what they think? or what they want, NO you just want to push your own selfish agenda without even caring about what the people of that sovereign state would want. How would you like it if Russia said they will nuke America if they elect Hillary Clinton,( OK bad example most thinking Americans would probably agree)

First of all, I am far from Christian. Second, in what way am I not respecting Russian culture?

This has nothing to do with "American exclusiveness/ imperialism". This has to do with Putin doing what he always does: stifling criticism through whatever means necessary. This has to do with Russia trying to pretend that it's a democracy while not allowing freedom of dissent, even for political candidates running for election.

I'm not saying anything at all about what Russians want. I can't speak for Russia as a whole (nor can you). What I can say for sure is that there are many Russians who dislike Putin and his policies. Kasparov is one of them, and a vocal one at that. He is being punished for criticizing Putin while running to replace him. I care that there are people like you out there who don't see any problem with this at all. I care that there are people who place no value on free speech whatsoever.

This isn't a Russian versus American issue. There are Americans who think like you too. Bush has tried to restrict free speech as well (though not nearly as effectively). Many Americans would like to ban flag burning (and have tried numerous times). There are Americans who think like you too. That's not a good thing. It's really sad.

Free speech is essential for a free society and a democracy. You cannot have freedom of anything if you don't have freedom of speech. You cannot have democracy without freedom of speech. Do you care about any of that?

You can not have freedom of speech if you are not properly informed. And, it is obvious you are not properly informed. So your point is mute.

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President Vladimir Putin has renewed his warning to the world to stay out of Russian politics. And he's defended his democratic record amid growing controversy over the fairness of parliamentary elections. Just days out from the poll, Mr Putin's United Russia party looks set for a massive victory.

As the final countdown began to Sunday's parliamentary elections, President Vladimir Putin appears to have chosen attack as his best form of defence. Hosting foreign diplomats at the Kremlin, the President warned against international interference in his country's politics. And he promised Sunday's vote would be open and honest.

VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT: (TRANSLATION) We know the value of authentic democracy and we're interested in conducting honest, transparent and open elections that are well organised and run smoothly. I'm sure now, as in the past, that's exactly how this election will be.

But not all are convinced by the President's protestations of free and fair elections. Non-government electoral watchdog Transparency International says there's a raft of tactics being used to exert influence, like people being pressured to vote at their workplace under the watchful eye of their bosses or risk losing their job.

YELENA PANFILOVA, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL: (TRANSLATION) I think that the electoral commissions must pay serious attention to this, because in our view it has introduced an unacceptable element of corruption to the election campaign.

Such irregularities and controversies like the jailing of celebrity Kremlin critic Garry Kasparov have drawn the ire of the international community, particularly the US. But Vladimir Putin's dominance appears unassailable, and his United Russia party is headed for an easy victory come Sunday. This will cement Mr Putin's influence despite his not being able to stand when the country chooses a new president next March.

Umm...that source you quoted only confirms what I've been saying all along. These elections are anything but fair. Putin is using dirty tactics to rig it in his favor. No surprise.

I don't think the problem is me being uninformed. I think the problem is that you are blind.

You really have no idea do you Adam Kemp. No wonder America is in such a sad state.

You are not just uninformed but you have selective vision. Even when I hand you the argument on a plate, you still go the small target attack.

Your argument is based on your bias, and how you wish the world was, and you dont seem to like it when facts get in the way.

The thing you really cant stand is the US is flailing about with a leader that looks more like Mussolini, and Putin is the most popular President in E. European history.

You just cant stand the idea so you deny anything that you wish was not true.

Whether you like it or not Kasperov is a traitor, It does not matter if this is right or fair, he is, just as George Washington was also a traitor.

Whether you like it or not Kasperov is a traitor, It does not matter if this is right or fair, he is, just as George Washington was also a traitor.

There you go again. Back that up. Don't point to someone else's opinion. Tell me what exactly Kasparov has done that makes him a traitor. Stop making these idiotic assertions and then refusing to even defend them or attempt to back them up.

Kasparov is a fascist traitor for the American empire, He wants to being back the Yeltsin era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQv68UaIJzg