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Obama Wins!

Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:02 PM EST
politics, obama, barack-obama, republican, election, democrat, john-mccain, election-2008, 2008, election-news, real-clear-politics, election-returns, liveblogging
By Killfile

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The long national nightmare is over. Well... mostly over. It's still several months until the inauguration and if 2000 taught America anything, the election isn't over until the results are certified. Even so, it appears that at this point, Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

This is history. This is the fulfillment of King's dream. This is the promise and the hope that is America.

The Election Thread

The ads are run, the leaflets distributed, the doors pounded, and the race run. All now that remains is the count. Fifty states, 435 Congressional districts, 3077 counties, and millions upon millions of individual votes must be tabulated and assessed, each the distillation of a single political voice amid a cacophony.

For political junkies, this is the moment when the pollsters and pundits are put to the test, when predictions are vindicated and reputations are made. For many it is a moment of truth and of judgment, a moment when the fate of a nation is decided and the character of a government determined. For others it is just another idle Tuesday but without the usual prime-time fare.

No matter how you view election day, election returns are the grand finale of America's favorite contact sport – a political super-bowl of sorts attracting less expensive ad buys but fueling just as much speculation, angst, and hand-wringing.

Social Returns

In the spirit of enabling most of that and providing an on-line forum in which citizens may feed their political addiction, this column will follow the 2008 Presidential Election returns live throughout the evening. Results will be posted as they come in (from any credible news source) and readers are invited to discuss and submit the returns as they are released.

Please note that posting large blocks of text from other news sources may violate copyright and thus, while readers are encouraged to point out breaking returns, they are discouraged from copying and pasting them into the discussion thread below. Please provide a link instead. If Newsvine will not allow you to post a link simply indicate your source (New York times calls New York for Obama) and the community will check it out.

The Returns

Until we have returns, the predictions from Real Clear Politics stand as a sort of "middle of the road" guesstimate as to the outcome of the 2008 Presidential election and a canvas onto which to paint the evening's events.

Solidly McCain

Alabama (9) [McCain]
Tennessee (11) [McCain]
Mississippi (6)
Texas (34)
Alaska (3)
Kentucky (8) [McCain]
South Carolina (8) [McCain]
Oklahoma (7) [McCain]
Wyoming (3) [McCain]
Kansas (6) [McCain]
Louisiana (9) [McCain]
Utah [McCain]

Leaning Towards McCain

South Dakota (3)
West Virginia (5) [West Virginia]
Arkansas (6) [McCain]

Toss Up

Montana (3)
Arizona (10)
Georgia (15) [McCain]
Indiana (11)
Missouri (11)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (20) [Obama]
Florida (27)
Virginia (13)
North Dakota (3) [McCain]

Leaning Towards Obama

New Mexico (5) [Obama]
Colorado (9)
Pennsylvania (21) [Obama by Exit Polls]
Minnesota (10) [Obama]

Solidly Obama

Michigan (17) [Obama]
New Hampshire (4) [Obama]
Wisconsin (10) [Obama]
Washington (11)
Iowa (7) [Obama]
Maine (4) [Maine]
New Jersey (15) [Obama]
Oregon (7)
Connecticut (7) [Obama]
Massachusetts (12) [Obama]
California (55)
Illinois (21) [Obama]
New York (31) [Obama]
Maine (3) [Obama]
Vermont (3) [Obama]
Delaware (3) [Obama]
Maryland (10) [Obama]
Washington DC (3) [Obama]

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Killfile

Feel free to discuss the election itself but the action really begins with the closing of East Coast polls roundabouts 7:00 Eastern tonight.

Also, please note that the Newsvine Code of Honor will be strictly enforced on this thread and I encourage the community to exercise its role as moderator as well.  Commenters are reminded to remain civil and to avoid posting in all caps, all bold, or engaging in hate speech or other trollish behavior.

  • 10 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:07 PM EST
Peter Merel

10 Million votes stolen already ...

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:34 PM EST
Killfile

Its a terrifying number Peter but we'll have to wait and see.  Unfortunately, the ability to do anything about these sorts of purges is very much wrapped up in winning an election or two. 

The real question is this -- will there be enough people voting that those 10 Million won't matter?

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:47 PM EST
Peter Merel

@Kill,

Palast estimates 4% of the vote is fixed. The most recent average margin for Obama as calculated by pollster.com is 8%.

So that leaves the GOP with another 4% to lose. No problem with voting computers that can't count. You don't even have to hack them. They're pre-hacked.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 5:00 PM EST
Jim McMullen

I'm sorry, what planet did you say you were from again?  Bizarro World, was it?  I thought I heard you say Republicans were stealing votes.  I was confused until I remmebered that on Bizarro World everything means the opposite.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:18 AM EST
R. Donald Snyder

Our long national nightmare is over.

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:48 AM EST
Peter Merel

@Jim,

?

@Donald

Hooray!

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:00 AM EST
Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Twenty-two months, fifty or so illustrated articles, $25,000 raised by my group 'Publishers and Authors for Obama', phone calls, door knocking, working a regular job, trying to run AB of Seattle at the same time, editing people's books along the way...

Obama wins. I feel vindicated.

And boy am I tired.

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:40 AM EST
tedgarcia

It's true that democracy has its drawback. Here's one:

As you know, our government is run on taxes paid by the people's income tax and corporate taxes.  This election is clrealy won by votes of people who don't pay taxes. The margin of victory in the presidential race is 6%. Clearly, since 40% of Americans do not pay taxes, they, people who don't pay taxes,  have in  effect voted into office those who will run the government, thereby overriding the votes of people who paid for the government to run. Doesn't seem fair,huh?. Simply put,  one group(shareholders) put up some money in a company and another group who happen to be in the copmany are just there, working. Now, it's time to select someone to run the company. Should the group who has no investment in that company be allowed in the selection process? I think not.  So, there your are,  our democratic government  is not perfect, but what is?

    #1.8 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:37 PM EST
    tedgarcia

    Obama wins!  Yes, he has delivered the words, now, he has to deliver the goods. Good luck,  Obama.  I already heard some Obama supporters, and Obama himself, making some excuses, the econom,y, the war, that the the goodies promised may not be delivered  as expected, maybe not even within Obama's 4-year term.  Oh well, have we been hoodwinked? We'll see! 

      #1.9 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:53 PM EST
      MsDiyya

      Clearly, since 40% of Americans do not pay taxes, they, people who don't pay taxes,  have in  effect voted into office those who will run the government, thereby overriding the votes of people who paid for the government to run.

      tedgarcia unless you can provide links to back up your statements, it would behoove you to rethink what you right BEFORE you post such nonsense as the above mumble jumble.  sheesh!

      • 2 votes
      #1.10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:59 PM EST
      AdipicAcid

      Clearly, since 40% of Americans do not pay taxes

      This number is plausible, as when you throw in felons, children and others who do not pay taxes, along you might get as high as 40% of the population. What you don't get, of course, is 40% of the electorate.

      • 4 votes
      #1.11 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:06 PM EST
      david-475776

      Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

      Twenty-two months, fifty or so illustrated articles, $25,000 raised by my group 'Publishers and Authors for Obama', phone calls, door knocking, working a regular job, trying to run AB of Seattle at the same time, editing people's books along the way...

      Obama wins. I feel vindicated.

      And boy am I tired.

      #1.7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:40 PM HST

      Your money was petty change compared to the millions per month from these people (Delaware Senator's Constituents):

      Delaware: Freddie Mac, Fanny Mae, Bank of America, Wilmington Trust, First USA / Bank One / JPMorgan Chase, AIG, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Barclays plc, GM, Chrysler, Wachovia, ExxonMobil, Chevron, ISDA, and those States with Corporations Incorporated at Delaware.

      Source: Delaware, Economy

      Over 50% of US publicly-traded corporations and 60% of the Fortune 500 companies are incorporated in Delaware;[30] the state's attractiveness as a corporate haven is largely due to its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue.[31]

      Source: 30 Delaware Division of Corporations
      31 Delaware 2007 Fiscal Notebook-State General Fund  Revenues by Category (2007-2005)
      International Swaps and Derrivatives Association Incorporated at Delaware, isda.org

      I knew this was "in the bag" when he picked the Delaware Senator as his Vice Presidential Canidate and they refused to accept the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act.

      Now maybe the State of Hawai'i won't be considered and treated as a "Foreign Country".  Maybe we can get money for the badly needed steel on steel mass transit system.

      Too bad we could not get the votes from our Soldiers in Iraq, due to the Contractors not getting the Absentee Ballots to them, to see how they feel about being at Iraq.  Of course most career military know that their career is dependent on Congress and may end by voting, especially if it is the "wrong" way.  Absentee Ballots are not anynomous and become a matter of Public Record accessable by Congress.

      I still wonder where we are going to get the 23% of the US Daily Oil from, after we leave the Northern and Southern Iraqis Oil Fields.  We lost 23% of the US Daily Oil after pre 911, Venezula (attempted overthrow of Chevez by starting a Civil War).  The movie W. hints at this, the documentaries Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist 2 state this as fact. 

      I really wonder how he is going to pay for this Bailout mess.  Maybe he can cancel it?  I mean they (bailout babies) are giving bonuses to their employees of the failed Corporations "to retain the best".  I thought it was to help "Mainstreet""Middle Class", not people making an average of $100,000.00.

      http://realestate.msn.com/Buying/Article_busweek.aspx?cp-documentid=10856357&gt1=35000
      http://realestate.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=10857148

        #1.12 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM EST
        Steve W in MD

        Today we see how stupid many Americans really are. Electing a man with his shady and unethical past is simply amazing. Guess you people are going to learn the hard way over the next 4 years.

        Universal Healthcare = Higher taxes for all

        Defense spending will be cut by 25% immediately according to Chairman Frank.

        Nancy Pelosi ( as predicted) has already called an emergency session of Congress to pass a 300 billion dollar stimulus package, to be in session next week. = Higher taxes for all.

        Taxes for those making over 250k ( such as me) , will go up substantially. Now let's review this one for a moment. I am going to hide most of my companies revenue, starting immediately, so it can't be found. Meaning that regardless of what Obama does, you can't tax what isn't there. Wealthy Americans will do the same, so if money from the wealthy and small business owners is hard to find in order to extract more taxes, what is going to happen next? Answer: Just as with Carter and Clinton, the middle class will have a tax increase too in order to make up the difference.

        Not to mention, two of my employees will now lose their jobs so I can break even.

        Sorry guys, but you may have not believed the "okey doke", but you sure have been "hoodwinked" . You are about to financially suffer at your own hands.

          #1.13 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:44 PM EST
          Courts

          No, we're about to suffer financially at your hands because you are dishonest enough to "hide most of your company's revenue immediately so it can't be found." 

          The selfishness of those you categorize as "wealthy Americans" is pretty pathetic. 

          • 6 votes
          #1.14 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:34 PM EST
          GoDux08

          High taxes causes those with a lot of money to hide it or shelter it.  Instead of having a lower RATE and collecting an overall larger of TOTAL taxes, the dems just want to penalize success. 

            #1.15 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 4:37 PM EST
            Independent Ed

            Steve W in Md,

            Either you are incredibly stupid or an incredibly lousy liar.

            I am going to hide most of my companies revenue, starting immediately, so it can't be found. Meaning that regardless of what Obama does, you can't tax what isn't there.

            Do you really expect us to believe that you would make such a statement on a public forum, knowing that if true you are admitting to tax fraud.  Knowing that the IRS can easily obtain your identity from Newsvine Administration and your ISP.

            Not to mention, two of my employees will now lose their jobs so I can break even.

            Already, those tax increases won't go into effect until 2010 when Obama lets Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy expire.  Break even or boost your personal bottom line?

            • 4 votes
            #1.16 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 5:09 PM EST
            tedgarcia

            National nightmare over? Wait till  socialist Obama and company takes over.

              #1.17 - Sat Nov 8, 2008 12:57 PM EST
              Behind My Screen

              Please stop the hyperbole. It is tiresome and stupid.

              Giving a tax cut to the middle class and allowing the bush tax cuts on the rich to expire is NOT socialism.

              • 3 votes
              #1.18 - Sat Nov 8, 2008 1:59 PM EST
              Killfile

              Ted, was life good under Reagan?  Reagan's marginal tax rates thoughtout the most of his Presidency were appreciably higher than any proposed by Obama.  For the first six years of Reagan's terms, the maximum marginal tax rate was 50%.

              So if Obama is a socialist that would make Reagan what?  A pinko-commie traitor?

              • 4 votes
              #1.19 - Sun Nov 9, 2008 9:25 PM EST
              Reply
              SteveHouse

              Have fun as the Official Newsvine Election Returns Moderator, Kill. I don't envy that position.

              • 7 votes
              Reply#2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:46 PM EST
              Killfile

              Semi-Official and it's not so bad.  Like I'd be doing anything else anyway.

              • 15 votes
              #2.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:47 PM EST
              Calvin Tang

              He's got backup.

              • 17 votes
              #2.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:38 PM EST
              R. Donald Snyder

              He's got backup.

              Me too.

              • 5 votes
              #2.3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:49 AM EST
              oldfogey

              As if Killfile would need backup. But, oh, well. I will be here too if needed.

              • 3 votes
              #2.4 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:17 AM EST
              Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)

              Hetep and Respect Folks, KillFile is on point. Hay, you folks are up late. Well, it is not like I can sleep either on this historic occasion.  +[:-)

              • 3 votes
              #2.5 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:30 AM EST
              Reply
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              Hi, Killfile.

              I just posted a quickie memoir piece explaining that I had expected to be right here with you, brother/comrade political junkie that I am (though I pale compared to you) but then I messed up my laptop. So I just posted a prediction and am then going to an Omnivores for Obama party after casting my own ballot for McCain...(ha, just testing to see if anyone was reading)

              • 7 votes
              Reply#3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:17 PM EST
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              That prediction being that if it is not a total blow out that we may not have a clear declared winner until Friday because everyone is lawyered up and those machine "irregularities" will spark legal attempts to recheck things and this and that.

              I'd go into more detail but I need to go VOTE before 8.

              • 4 votes
              #3.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:29 PM EST
              Killfile

              Well they're welcome to challenge them but the problem with electronic machines is that "recount" amounts to "looking at the number on the machine again."

              • 5 votes
              #3.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:47 PM EST
              Scott (Scoop) Butki

              Glad to hear that I was wrong on that prediction

              I call myself a cynical idealist meaning I have high hopes but also great fear and you can see which of those was in effect yesterday when I wrote that.

              Did you see the Daily Show's coverage? It was brilliant.

              • 1 vote
              #3.3 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:45 PM EST
              Reply
              Sgt. Pepper

              Good Luck Killfile,

              Could you let us know where you get your results from when some of the results are in? I'm not quite sure which news network I should watch to get them.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:47 PM EST
              Killfile

              Well what I'm hoping is that other people who are watching will post results when they see them.  We'll use all of them.

              • 2 votes
              #4.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:16 PM EST
              Sgt. Pepper

              I'm watching CNNs converge and Wolf Blitzer just looks ridiculous when he's talking to Jessica Yellin via hologram!?

              I didn't even know CNN could afford such futuristic equipment. It reminded me of a Star Wars movie.

              • 4 votes
              #4.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:21 PM EST
              Killfile

              I find your lack of faith disturbing

              • 5 votes
              #4.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:29 PM EST
              Reply
              KingRichard

              I'm starting to wonder how many people went to the polls, saw the insanely long lines, said screw it, and went home...

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:56 PM EST
              Sgt. Pepper

              CNN just reported about an hour ago that if you would have stayed in those lines, by law, you could vote no matter how long it takes.

              If you live in a state that hasen't closed it's polls, hurry! Go back and vote before it's too late!

              • 4 votes
              #5.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:59 PM EST
              Calvin Tang

              Voting absentee is so convenient, I don't know why more people don't choose to do it.

              • 10 votes
              #5.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:15 PM EST
              rottlady

              Voting absentee is so convenient, I don't know why more people don't choose to do it.

              That's how I voted, I agree it was much nicer than standing in line forever.

              • 4 votes
              #5.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:44 PM EST
              KingRichard

              I'm in Korea...trust me...voting absentee is NOT convenient!

              • 2 votes
              #5.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:48 PM EST
              Killfile

              In a lot of places you have to have a reason to vote absentee. 

              • 3 votes
              #5.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:50 PM EST
              SnotRag Dave

              In a lot of places you have to have a reason to vote absentee. 

              Very true.  Plus, I don't trust the mail... nor the person receiving the mail.  How do I know that my vote is counted?

              Although I love technology... a fairly early adopter... I can't see it with voting.  Give me a piece of paper and a #2 pencil... and I'm happy.

              • 2 votes
              #5.6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:20 PM EST
              Calvin Tang

              I'm in Korea...trust me...voting absentee is NOT convenient!

              Still, it's probably more convenient than casting your ballot in person :)

              • 6 votes
              #5.7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:35 PM EST
              Behind My Screen

              yeah, you have to trust your precinct official is honest. In FL for the last twwo cycles, they have "discovered" some (a large number) absentee ballots that were never counted.

              • 2 votes
              #5.8 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:42 PM EST
              libra7288

              In the area I live in, absentee ballots are ONLY counted IF the race is too close to call. In other words, if the margin is 51% to 48%, they'll actually count those ballots. 

              If the percentage is higher, they're considered garbage. That's why I refuse to vote absentee anymore.

              It was kinda nice, until I found out the truth. What a shame.

              • 2 votes
              #5.9 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:26 AM EST
              Killfile

              That's true in Virginia too Libra.  To make matters worse, in 2004 (as I recall) absentee ballots were only counted if the Presidential race was close enough for them to matter.

              Even though they contained votes for other races.

              Was your House district close?  Vote absentee?  So sorry, your vote won't count.

              • 2 votes
              #5.10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:10 AM EST
              Courts

              It was 2000 in VA and there was massive fall out.

              Now VA claims to count all absantee ballots regardless of the margin of victory.  They're doing that in the VA 5th right now. I'm guessing Virgil Goode had a very bad night.

              • 2 votes
              #5.11 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:58 AM EST
              kittykitty

              KR: A LOT of folks in my state went home, mostly the elderly and infirm.

              • 2 votes
              #5.12 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:53 PM EST
              Reply
              Killfile

              For what it's worth, Virginia's Senate race has been called by CNN for Mark Warner.  They are also showing early results from Virginia but only from three very rural counties. 

              I'm actually kind of surprised that McCain's lead in those three counties isn't larger than it is.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:24 PM EST
              Bill Harrison

              I'm the master of Vajenya politics on NV and I'm calling Virginia right now -- for Obama.

              Take a look at this link and it gives you county by county returns and here's the link to the county breakdown in '04. McCain's only got a 5 pt. advantage in Chesterfield Co. with 80% of the vote in (half Bush's margin in '04), Obama taking Henrico and Obama's taking Roanoke and Danville. Game over.

              • 4 votes
              #6.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:13 PM EST
              bluejohnnyd

              Obama taking King and Queen startled me.  As did Danville, for that matter.

              • 3 votes
              #6.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:25 PM EST
              Killfile

              This is one of the few things on which I'll agree with you, Bill.  McCain has to have a massive lead in the rural areas to compensate for Obama's urban advantage.  He just doesn't have it.

              • 4 votes
              #6.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:31 PM EST
              Bill Harrison

              Oh, my point is far finer than that. The urban/rural split isn't the story in the slightest -- it's the suburban vote primarily the Loudoun, Prince William, Henrico and Chesterfield vote that would decide this race. Obama's leading McCain in Loudoun which Bush carried by 12 pts. In Prince William he's leading by a shade over 3 pts. while Bush carried by 6 pts. In Henrico, the margin is a whopping 12 pts. for Obama while Bush won there by 8 pts. and Chesterfield which Bush carried by 25 pts. McCain's only ahead by 8 pts. with 98% reporting.

              • 3 votes
              #6.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM EST
              bluejohnnyd

              Well, the rural bit wasn't entirely why those two counties surprised me; half the people I went to school with are from King and Queen, and I've got family in Danville.  My impression of the areas is far, far redder than how they appear to be voting.

              • 2 votes
              #6.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:02 PM EST
              Bill Harrison

              Yes, but I would expect that the black turnout there is very heavy just like it is everywhere else and blacks are a big percentage of the potential vote in Southside.

              • 3 votes
              #6.6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:13 PM EST
              Reply
              KingRichard

              So far those early returns are showing a substantial lead for McCain

              • 1 vote
              Reply#7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:46 PM EST
              Killfile

              Where?  The national early returns are showing an edge for Obama and the Virginia returns are up for McCain but most of them are the rural areas. 

              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:51 PM EST
              KingRichard

              MSNBC has 15 counties so far for Obama - predominantly in the northern 81/66 corridor with a swing down to Richmond out toward VA beach - everything else is still pretty red with a 55% McCain advantage - 40% reporting

              • 1 vote
              #7.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:36 PM EST
              Bill Harrison

              You need to click on the VA tab on my first link above and then compare the counties to the same ones in '04 in the second link. That will tell you why Obama is likely to win.

              • 2 votes
              #7.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM EST
              Reply
              Killfile

              Update: Both CNN and MSNBC are calling South Carolina for McCain

              • 2 votes
              Reply#8 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 7:56 PM EST
              kittykitty

              Hummmm, I am a little surprised South Carolina has gone for McCain?? Since I do not watch television, I will get my news on the net as usual.  Television is boring and basically a dog and pony show.  I prefer to READ instead of watch.  Oh well, just one minor opinion.  I read your biography - it is an awesome thing to see a young person interested in anything other than themselves and trivial pursuits.  The extent to which you delve into this world and it's events is totally wonderful.  I would have loved to have had you in one of my psychology classes!!!!  You would have been the ONE in the class that could NOT be hypnotized!!  That would have been really super.  When I was in school, I was the ONLY one out of 300 that could not be hypnotized by any one. I was told I would have problems in life due to being demanding being in total control of my immediate space - they were correct in this assessment. I appreciate brilliance when and where I find it.  I also enjoy Jack Haung - his description of the opening of the Olympics in China was so graphic - I could almost see the whole show. Mr. Haung is a gifted writer and thinker - the two of you could adequately cover any number of subjects and go up against any noted writers of this day and time. The gift of writing is almost a lost art - we need all of you to keep on shining the light of knowledge into the dark corners of the minds of our people. 

                #8.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:19 PM EST
                Reply
                Killfile

                Big poll closing!  CNN projects Mass, Illinois, Connecticut, NJ, Washington DC, Delaware and Maryland for Obama.  Updating the article!

                They're calling Oklahoma and Tennessee for McCain

                • 3 votes
                Reply#9 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:02 PM EST
                KingRichard

                Are any of these surprising?

                • 1 vote
                #9.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:34 PM EST
                Reply
                Independent Ed

                MSNBC projects Obama in Pennsylvania.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#10 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:07 PM EST
                Sgt. Pepper

                CNN is waiting until more votes come in before giving Penn to Obama. I'm guessing they'll call it within the hour.

                • 1 vote
                #10.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM EST
                Killfile

                Hat tip Independent Ed.  Updating.

                • 1 vote
                #10.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:24 PM EST
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                Sgt. Pepper

                CNN- New Hampshire goes to Obama with 4 E. College votes.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#11 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:31 PM EST
                Killfile

                Thanks Sgt Pepper.  MSNBC had called it a little earlier (they called Pennsylvania for Obama too) but I'm a little hesitant to trust them on exit polling alone.

                • 1 vote
                #11.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:35 PM EST
                Sgt. Pepper

                Looks like MSNBC is right.

                CNN predicts Obama for Penn. I'm hesitant too, but it looks promising for the Obama campaign.

                • 2 votes
                #11.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:40 PM EST
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                Independent Ed

                MSNBC just declared Hagan the winner in the North Carolina Senate Race.  That's a big one.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#12 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:32 PM EST
                SnotRag Dave

                That is a big blow to the Bush Republicans... more will fall.

                • 3 votes
                #12.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:52 PM EST
                A Sergeant's Mom

                Yes, Sir.  Change means long-time incumbents allowing others to serve.  Mrs. Dole has a prestigious history of service that all of us can be proud of, however, two years ago, it was time for her to consider resigning.  A great deal of constituents have been ignored in North Carolina and dismissed as not as important as others.  This is a civil rights travesty.  I don't believe Mrs. Dole meant to ignore these individuals, but perhaps has been swept up in the Washington lifestyle to the detriment of North Carolinians.  She has not lived in North Carolina since 1959.

                Congratulations to Kay Hagan!

                • 2 votes
                #12.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:00 PM EST
                Reply
                Independent Ed

                Georgia to McCain - MSNBC. No surprise there.

                CNN now has Pennsylvania for Obama.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#13 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM EST
                Killfile

                I'll update for that.  Thanks Independent Ed.  I think CNN was interviewing someone in the McCain camp when that happened because there was much cheering.

                • 1 vote
                #13.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:57 PM EST
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                kittykitty

                Hummm, I project Obama wins the whole shootin match!!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#14 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:49 PM EST
                Lisa Schneider

                60% to 38 % Ohio for Obama...what did the repugs keep saying..."no republican has won the whitehouse without winning Ohio?!

                  Reply#15 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:59 PM EST
                  Killfile

                  Sources Lisa?

                  • 2 votes
                  #15.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:13 PM EST
                  Bill Harrison

                  KF, considering your first comment if it's okay to refer to Republicans as "repugs" here I look forward to using a few pejorative adjectives of my own. ;>)

                  • 2 votes
                  #15.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:16 PM EST
                  Lisa Schneider

                  Killfile...David Gregory just repeated my statement verbatim in regard to Ohio

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:24 PM EST
                  KingRichard

                  I could really have fun throwing some of those adjectives in myself...

                  • 2 votes
                  #15.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:25 PM EST
                  Killfile

                  KF, considering your first comment if it's okay to refer to Republicans as "repugs" here I look forward to using a few pejorative adjectives of my own. ;>)

                  Bill, I am a little busy right now.  You may not have noticed but I'm trying to keep up with the returns. 

                  "Repugs" isn't nice either.  But rather than being snarky about it why don't your report the comment?

                  • 3 votes
                  #15.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:29 PM EST
                  Calvin Tang

                  Nothing like a KF/BH exchange ;)

                  • 4 votes
                  #15.6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:39 PM EST
                  Bill Harrison

                  Just want to keep things "fair and balanced", CT. I'm not quite sure why with the wonders of modern technology why it's so difficult to monitor these things especially since all the drama from this election is now gone. Obama won OH, he wins the election. Game over. The Democrats have failed to gain a filibuster-proof Senate with Saxby Chambliss's greater than 50% win and that too is the only remaining drama.

                  Check that. There still is some drama regarding Montgomery County, VA home to an agricultural college where Obama is currently leading by .5% with 87% reporting.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:50 PM EST
                  Killfile

                  Bill, again you may not have noticed but I've been trying to keep the states linked and updated in the article text as the results have come in.

                  And as I understand it, that post is a little older than the call coming in for Ohio.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.8 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:53 PM EST
                  Bill Harrison

                  Ta, ta. I'm off to talk with some pros at the WaPo.

                  • 2 votes
                  #15.9 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:28 PM EST
                  kittykitty

                  BH:  Glory be!!!!!!!!!!  Ta, ta to you too.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 12:58 PM EST
                  Reply
                  Lisa Schneider

                  Obama just won Wisconsin, Michigan, NY, Rhode Island...florida too close to call ...Ohio 59% electoral Obama 175 McCain 7041%

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#16 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:03 PM EST
                  SnotRag Dave

                  Hispanic counties in Florida are very blue...

                  • 2 votes
                  #16.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:05 PM EST
                  Reply
                  Lisa Schneider

                  oops...76 electoral for McCain!

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#17 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:16 PM EST
                  Independent Ed

                  MSNBC has just projected Ohio for Obama!

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#18 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:23 PM EST
                  KingRichard

                  Too early...

                    #18.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:25 PM EST
                    Independent Ed

                    CNN just projected Ohio for Obama

                    • 2 votes
                    #18.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:34 PM EST
                    AdipicAcid

                    I think that may be it. You need 215 before you throw in California's 55. 

                    And I really doubt CA goes McCain.

                    • 2 votes
                    #18.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:40 PM EST
                    Killfile

                    That's very close to the ball-game.  If Obama wins.... almost anything else plus the presumed wins in California and Washington he's got his 270

                    CNN just did the math and, from here, McCain basically has to win everything not on the West Coast plus one of California, Oregon, Washington, or Hawaii.

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:45 PM EST
                    Independent Ed

                    Florida is starting to look better for Obama.  Pinellas County (St Pete) is all in and went for Obama, Hillsborough County (Tampa) is one third in and Obama just passed McCain.  Hillsborough is a bellweather county, it's vote has matched the state since 1960.

                    Time to switch from iced tea to scotch.

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:55 PM EST
                    KingRichard

                    Kill...what would Courts and Toby say to a comment like "That's very close to ball game...?"

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:09 PM EST
                    Killfile

                    I said very close to... I'm calling nothing.

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM EST
                    Courts

                    There were seven of us (eight if you count the baby) and the commands to NOT tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing were flying. 

                    We almost made the baby go outside, turn around three times and spit.  He got awful happy whenever they talked about Obama. 

                    But at 10:00 we finally went out to get the champaign.

                    • 3 votes
                    #18.8 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM EST
                    KingRichard

                    May the whatever from high atop the thing watch over us for next *gritting teeth* 4 years

                      #18.9 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 1:57 AM EST
                      Killfile

                      KingRichard, I think you'll be pleasently surprised when your taxes don't go up, no one takes your guns, abortions don't become compulsory, and arugala isn't added to the public school lunch menu.

                      • 5 votes
                      #18.10 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:11 AM EST
                      KingRichard

                      Happy about the taxes not going up, you can't have a gun in Korea anyway, I don't have a uterus, and arugula is a pretty good idea!

                        #18.11 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:54 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Lisa Schneider

                        Obama just won ohio sorry if i slipped earlier and said "repug"

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#19 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:23 PM EST
                        Bill Harrison

                        No problem, that saves me the trouble of using some of my better adjectives to describe Democrats. ;>)

                        • 2 votes
                        #19.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:28 PM EST
                        AdipicAcid

                        That's OK. If we descend into insults, as a native Marylander, I have a list for all of you losers* in Virginia. ;)

                        *Did I mention I'm the great-grandson of one of Sherman's bummers?

                        • 3 votes
                        #19.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:42 PM EST
                        Bill Harrison

                        Sherman ne'er weren't ever in Ole Virginny. Now if you be one of them bastids that Philly Sheridan sired it'd be a different story. Can you give us an update on the % of the deceased vote going for Obama in Bawlmer County and City? Did Montgomery County vote yet to adopt the Internationale as the official county anthem?

                        • 2 votes
                        #19.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:56 PM EST
                        Killfile

                        They just called Virginia for Obama, Bill.  Have you considered renting out your crystal ball to some banks?  I hear they have money to spare right now.

                        • 4 votes
                        #19.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:00 PM EST
                        caroaber

                        Tsk, tsk. Now you're red-baiting. There's no cause for that.

                        • 1 vote
                        #19.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 11:16 PM EST
                        AdipicAcid

                        They've got nothing else. The lines a Petersburg broke last night, and Lincoln walked the streets of a burning, abandoned Richmond with not much more than a mob of ecstatic freedmen as bodyguard.

                        • 2 votes
                        #19.6 - Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:06 AM EST
                        Reply
                        Lisa Schneider

                        Scarborough just said Florida looks like it's going Obama!!!!

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#20 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:27 PM EST
                        Lisa Schneider

                        Can anyone tell I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#21 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:28 PM EST
                        SnotRag Dave

                        70 to go...

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#22 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:36 PM EST
                        Reply
                        Killfile

                        New Mexico just went to Obama... though that doesn't change the game much.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#23 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 9:49 PM EST
                        Independent Ed

                        MSNBC and CNN project Obama in Iowa.

                        Virginia extremely tight but Obama now has the lead there.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#24 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:02 PM EST
                        Killfile

                        Virginia would basically be the death knell of the McCain campaign.  If Virginia goes to Obama McCain would... I think... have to win California.

                        • 1 vote
                        #24.1 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:17 PM EST
                        Independent Ed

                        McCain winning California - that is a very scary thought, but I think it would need a very cold day in hell!

                        • 1 vote
                        #24.2 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:23 PM EST
                        A Sergeant's Mom

                        and...Senator Obama has a strong presence in California and in Florida.  The Bush administration is overshadowing Senator McCain's campaign.  He might have shown a stronger presence if he could have separated from that disaster.

                        Senator McCain just won Texas with 34 electoral votes, but that doesn't affect the strong Obama showing.

                        • 2 votes
                        #24.3 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:24 PM EST
                        bluejohnnyd

                        Obama's lead in VA is widening.  46.5k at the moment.

                        • 2 votes
                        #24.4 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:30 PM EST
                        Behind My Screen

                        Had McCain executed his campaign as well as Obama, then he might have had a fighting chance.

                        and all that crazy pounding the stump in Red states in the last few weeks has basically taken this free agent president (Obama owes nothing to the Dem party or to large special interests) and given him a lot of political favors to cash in from all the new Democratic Congressmen in those states.

                        Obama will be a president to be reckoned with.

                        • 3 votes
                        #24.5 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:32 PM EST
                        Independent Ed

                        For the first time the New England States have no Republican representatives in Congress.

                        • 3 votes
                        #24.6 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:39 PM EST
                        Behind My Screen

                        Making the Republicans a regional party regarding their power base.

                        • 4 votes
                        #24.7 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:40 PM EST
                        Killfile

                        Making the Republicans a regional party regarding their power base.

                        That's profound.... (seriously)

                        • 4 votes
                        #24.8 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:42 PM EST
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                        JonesBK

                        This is a sad day in America.  But, the Obama supporters deserve everything they will get when this is finished.  Hey, has anyone checked out the new story on Obama......?????  You know, the one about his Civilian National Security Force (Youth Brigage).  Opps, too late I suspect.  Your not kidding....too late for all of us so sorry to say!!

                          Reply#25 - Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:38 PM EST
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