
Willacy County prosecutor Juan Angel Guerra stumped a presiding judge and attorneys for clients as high up as Vice President Dick Cheney when he failed to show up to court on his own grand jury's indictments.
The no-show infuriated attorneys who'd spent the day milling about with what they'd hoped would be slam-dunk motions to quash the cases.
And it put Presiding Judge Manuel Bañales in a position he said he'd never been in before.
"At the very least I expected the district attorney to be here," Bañales said, asking Guerra's office manager, "Do you know where he is?"
I'm rarely one to jump on the conspiracy theory band-wagon. Nine time out of ten... no... more like 99 times out of 100 there is a perfectly plausible explanation for things.
Hell, there's probably a perfectly plausible explanation for this.
But a DA in Texas indicts the Vice President of the United States and a former Attorney General/close personal friend of the President and then.... vanishes?
It reads like the plot of a John Grisham novel.... though Grisham would have set it in Alabama.
They're hiding him in Cheney's man-sized safe or he's sharing a space with Jimmy Hoffa... but seriously, this reeks to high heaven. I'm not going to go as far as saying that Cheney's people "took care of it" because it's more likely is that the locals who weren't too happy about this got a little carried away.
I would put NOTHING past Cheney and his gang of thugs. There needs to be more questions asked about this and other 'detention' centers. Even if this is a sham, no thinking person should doubt the breach of civil rights brought about by these heinously corrupt men. I hope they get to sample their own fare!
It's Bill Foster all over again.
Vince Foster?
This is so suspicious. Anybody check Guantanamo? The Salt Pit? Maybe Blackwater knows where he is?
Maybe he went hunting?
Maybe he went hunting?
Oh man, hunting with Dick Cheney... *shudder*. Then again, this DA is a hispanic and if he's young also, he's relatively safe. Cheney only shoots elderly white men....
I had the exact same thought -- only with scare quotes.
Maybe he "went hunting" with Dick Cheney.
Good Will Hunting?
If memory serves me right, the last scene there was Will taking a leap of faith into the Great Unknown. Kinda freaky, if Dubai is an equivalent.
This guy was indicted himself last year - do a google search for his name:
http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=196
http://www.valleymorningstar.com/onset?id=1182&template=article.html
http://obamahood.org/?p=590
so what happened to the dude?
Well Babin, if he's still practicing law, he obviously wasn't convicted of anything. Apparently the only job a convicted felon can get in this country is US Senator LOL
He's at an undisclosed location.
Lo,
Cheney only shoots elderly white men....
As far as we know.
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I soooo want to be your friend, Lemmy!
It's not that far fetched. Remember all the Clinton political enemies or baggage that died, disappeared, or committed suicide?
LMAO ..... conspiracy or not, another moron off the streets.
Look at this... DA in Cheney case explains failure to appear
At least a dozen defense lawyers did show up, armed with motions to have Monday’s grand jury indictments thrown out as baseless.
But presiding District Judge Manuel Bañales said that without the prosecutor present he could not hear those motions.
good job Banales! And Guerra. Looks like it "was" a delaying tactic...hahahaha...and he's alive(Guerra).lol
The judge and DA needed another day for the friday docket. The Quash motions and Dismissal motions would/could not be heard without the DA present...or could they have? He really could have just thrown the indictments out if he was hostile to Guerra.
Another bloody miracle! Practicing law at it optimum.Against crooks. Everyone help out so that these men(Cheney,Gonzales and the Geo thugs) will not subvert justice.
Nobody knew were Guerra was all day? :) And when his manager was asked if Guerra was...
When Bañales asked if she were concerned for Guerra’s safety she said she would not know how to answer the question
hahahaha lol Smart! Hispanics like me! hahahaha ...But I'm of Mexican heritage...Hora le hermanos. Gracias a Dios! Don't mind my jubilation.
You people don't get it..............Gurerra is a bonafide wack job............dude probably went to the wrong courthouse........And when you find out what charges are on Cheney..........you will shake your had a realize what a sham this all is.........have your fun while it lasts..........then get yourself a one way ticket to Palookaville.....................................If I was Cheney I would pay for a Limo to make sure Guerra made it to court on time................That guy can't hit his ass with both hands
dig, from your comment;
Gurerra is a bonafide wack job
...why don't you check out this interview with the man, done this week...does he sound like a bonified whack job? ...try to keep in mind all the politicizing and crap that went on in justice with the AGs....bonified...hell, you sound like the little girls in 'Oh Lord, Where Art Thou?'
...you might also check the 'related articles' section, at the top of this seed for the update... Don't take it from me, but Guerra has his reasons for not being there...
<!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} -->
Conspiracies rarely, rarely happen in politics, business or the covert world of intelligence. 99% of the time, political-economic arrangements are all out there, honest abe, cherry tree, above board, by the books, transparent and ready to verify. Documents on hand, shredders non-existent, redactions a thing of history, emails open to scrutiny, back-rooms locked, meetings held in public and recorded, feedback from the public solicited, conflicts of interest reported and forbidden, offshore bank accounts exposed and forbidden, blackmail and bribery unheard of, contract killings too fantastical to be imagined. Thank our open, equal, and just society that powerful interests are ready to come clean, that the stakes are just not high enough for anyone to bother with conspiracies. I'm relieved we live in such a plausible world. Because I need it to be this way.
Maybe the black helicopters picked him up and took him to the FEMA detention center in Kansas City.
Or he could be here at the Houston Detention Center. How is it that more Americans are not worried about the number of covert Detention Centers across the US. Or should I call them Gulags?
If this guy goes missing for an extended period, Cheney should get the Chair!
OMG...........we can't let this man get away.........don't be a Dick....Cheney
You know, just ask that one guy--it's never a good idea to go hunting with Cheney... *lol*
Ask, do you mean, "Lucky?"
Sounds like a half ass prosecutor that knows he has a half ass case, that decided to not embarrass himself by showing up in court.
Anyway, I'd much rather see Cheney free to defend himself against the War Crimes charges that are lurking in the background for him and Bush and Rice.
Remember, these are the people that on false pretenses and lies, spearheaded the invasion of Iraq, resulting in the death of over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men woman and children.
I want to see an indictment from the World Court, not some crackpot prosecutor from the somewhat twisted judicial system of Texas.
Remember, these are the people that on false pretenses and lies, spearheaded the invasion of Iraq, resulting in the death of over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men woman and children.
I want to see an indictment from the World Court
Members of Congress who voted to fund the war are complicit also. Shall they be tried as well?
rick, surely that is a rhetorical question.
Barbara: Rick never, ever, makes rhetorical questions.... :D
L, ;>)
I'm hoping that you and I are wrong and this man is ok. But this definately smells
Smells of what? .......Hope he is OK?........This guy is a mental case......do some research on the quack...........and do you know what the charges are on Cheney?..............................do tell...........Even left wing liberal loons will admit this whole thing is a mockery of our judicial system
It seems the one that has a mental condition is one who condones a murderer and thief. A disrespecter of his oath. A liar. Who's wacked? But the one person who makes himself a party by consent. A mockery? you are really complicit ... I and many others know of his crimes.
Dig-dug
Vote R lately did ya?!
A little PO'd at the election's outcome?
No PO'd here........................ I could care less who won the election.............It's all the Sloth-Americans that contribute nothing to this country I worry about..................... Instead of lending a hand to help this country............they hold their hand out looking for free stuff......All the Americans that work hard....put forth a good effort...... ....donate time and money to charties.......are good neighbors......will still carry the load........... and more so now........
I haven't asked for a dime & dragged my sorry butt out of a real deep hole. I have no saving or 401Ks anymore, but we (my wife & I) did this all ourselves and are proud to have accomplished this while preparing for a harsh new world!
Never asked for help. However, I'm sick of people having things handed to them for Being stupid or lazy or just plain deceitful! I find system abusers to be scum.
So I do understand that SLOTHs do exist!
diga:"Smells of what? .......Hope he is OK?........This guy is a mental case......do some research on the quack...........and do you know what the charges are on Cheney?..............................do tell...........Even left wing liberal loons will admit this whole thing is a mockery of our judicial system"
This question was not to me and so, as a typical slothful American, as contrasted by real Americans, I did not answer it. I was too busy doing slothful stuff like writing my representatives and open letters to Bush 43 to get involved. However, since you are so positive Cheney is an 'innocent' here are some, just some, of the research sources for an article that I am writing. Please read this, this, this, this and this.
Oh, and I have questions pending with CCA, who I believe will get back to me. Unlike Wackenhut, Blackwater, ESMOR etc. who possibly have even more to hide. I will kindly remember you and give you a special inviteto read this expose' , if you have the time. What with all that working hard, putting forth good effort, donating time and money to charity, being a good neighbor and carrying the load for the rest of us sloths, and all.
Good for you, even though you do come off as angry. I certainly do not mean to imply that you are being arbitrarily judgemental or anything for you certainly seem to have so many supportive facts at your disposal.
Regards
Shan, Of course sloths exist. I was married to two of them. ;>) It is just that they don't come in one political denomination, station in life, race, from any particular area of the country(even those that don't have 'real' Americans), gender, religion or any other particular box some people would label them with.
Slothful actions=slothful person. Nothing else enters into it. From your other comments, I know you understand this.
Regards
I think it's rather ridiculous that the charges were ever filed against Cheney and Gonzales. I've read that the suit charges that by merely *investing* in Vanguard, that {at least} Cheney was guilty of a crime against prisoners detained in prison facilities. (At least that was my interpretation of what I have read about the 'case'.) Good grief. If this is truly the basis of this legal filing, I wonder why it is even newsworthy. Waste of a court's time IMHO.
Maybe the DA is hiding out of embarrassment. Maybe he experienced a moment of folly thoughts in filing the charges and never thought it would snowball into mainstream media. (???)
I'm not really in a position to comment on the charges themselves. An indictment involves someone's discression other than that of the prosecutor, however, and consequently I don't think that one can reasonably point at the DA and say "the indictment was faulty and it's his fault."
That said, it's newsworthy because of what's involved in an indictment. A grand jury indicated that this warranted further investigation. That's serious. The vanishing of the DA is newsworthy because, as other posters here have said, it "reeks to high heaven."
So as to underscore the significance of indictment, you might want to read up on it.
I think it's rather ridiculous that the charges were ever filed against Cheney and Gonzales
Al Capone was caught on tax evasion because he was too connected to get pinched on anything else. Gotta start somewhere with these people.
Wow, I am just communicating what I've read from another source. I would believe with every fiber of my being, that V.P. Cheney is going to be just fine.
I have an old school mate who went to law school; a brilliant person. One of the first suits he filed after passing the bar exam, was to take on the state of Texas about one thing or another. The basis of the suit (again, only stated as my own assessment) was for a cause he strongly believed in; one that he felt had validity. He pursued his angle which had legitimacy in his own reasoning. Didn't work; I don't think he has visited the state since. He is still okay! He just doesn't visit the state of Texas any longer.
I'm not sure i get you point B-online.
is he fearful for his life? how does that relate to this?
I don't think that one can reasonably point at the DA and say "the indictment was faulty and it's his fault."
Unfortunately Kill, it's a reasonably common aphorism in the legal community that any competent District Attorney can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwitch.
I would believe with every fiber of my being, that V.P. Cheney is going to be just fine.
so you agree that this criminal man should walk free? This is just the beginning. The DA probably started this because once someone is indicted it seems the whole mess is unraveled and exposed. This DA knows probably a whole lot but cannot touch the subjects for fear of this very thing, disappearing. Cheney is a ring-leader in our gov's crimes.
I would feel so much better if our courts brought down some of washington. I probably would start trusting them to do the right things. But for now, I see them (Washington and Wall Street) worse than I see the inmates at Tent City a block from my work.
this criminal man
Criminal? Really? Has he been convicted of a crime? Let's see a link.
Cheney is a ring-leader in our gov's crimes.
Really? Has that been proven in a court of law as well? Let's see a link.
Personally I'd like to see PE Obama, Rahm Emanuel, and their cabal of crony capitalists held accountable for their complicity in the Fannie/Freddie meltdown, but apparently no laws were broken so they're going to skate.
how about the iraq war really, SERIOUSLY you actually think this guy is innocent had no part in the LYInG to the american people..... PLEASE......GET A GRIP and even if he were not guilty of these things this is whats gets the ball rolling looking into other things
The DA turned Willacy County into a circus maybe he joined one....or maybe he is celebrating the fact that the signed indictments against him were dismissed.
Certainly possible. As I said, there's probably a rational explanation for this. But it is, nonetheless.... odd.
Anyone remember Martha Mitchell?
These Thugs are much bigger than Watergate...
Now has anyone seen my cement mixer?
vince foster? anyone?...
Knowing the crowd he's at odds wtih I suspect he's wearing adobe overshoes 'bout now.
He's singing wit' da' gulf shrimp.
This is bad news news.
ok lets look at vince foster..
or as i like to call it
"clinton did it too"
Ok vicne foster was the clintosn lawyer and a friend of hillary.. this guy didnt even know cheney..
this guy just sucessfully made charge against cheney.
vicne foster was in charge of protecting the clintons.
yeah your right it is exactly the same
Eerie...
I wouldn't doubt any conspiracy therories.
Okay partisanship would possibly fit this if Chaney or Gonzales was still to remain in office, I mean that is why they called the corruption case against Ted Stevens (Alaska) a witchhunt because he was running for another term in office. Chaney is on his way out the door, and Gonzales is already gone, so how is this partisanship?
Buried in a grassy knoll?
Or under the "new" Cowboys stadium...
...or under Denny Hastert
LOL easy peoples, I was a Teamster, there is no organizied crime, Jimmy H you out there?
Paul, I think he's hiding in my purse. I don't really know because it is so scary I don't even go in there.
LOL Barbara. A lot of remote starters on cars in those days.
Barbara in Houston
how funny. for the first time on this site someone made me laugh. glad to see people getting along here
Usually it takes me being in the same room to make someone laugh.....
Thanks :>)
Hey Bar Fly- Leave my Cowboys out of this! We only deal with drug addicts, drug dealers, wife beaters, unregistered gun toters and alchoholics. We do not- I stress DO NOT- allow ANY District Attorneys anywhere near our field or lockerroom.....
Jerry Jones
He is in an undisclosed location.
It's tempting to see this as just another conspiracy theory. Just as it is to believe that he's taking the safe option and gone into hiding to save his own skin, literally. Hope that's not in Cuba. Whichever way one sees it.
But I'll be amazed if this indictment goes all the way through. The thugs have already ensured that absolute power will keep them in the clear, if only just.
Raat -
No thugging required. Read the last five paragraphs of the article. This one's a non-starter.
rick, This article notwithstanding, please read this, this, this, this and this. Then decide what the intentions, however mismanaged or incompetent they might be, of the DA are. I have multiple other sources that I am not willing to share for the next few days. (I guess that I would have failed that part of kindergarten)
Regards
Oh, and besides, this is from the Express News. You know............... Rupert.
I lived there(SA) for 25 years and have personal experience with a few of the writers and well......not exactly known for their journalistic tenacity. Write it fast, get it in print and to hell with the details.
That is NOT an indictment of Killies seed, however. This needed to be posted. (Glad I cleared that up. Whew!)
Barbara -
I was only commenting on what the two experts had said regarding the strength of the case. By all means if there's criminal activity it should be prosecuted.
Thank you Barbara in Houston for the links,articles and legwork.I wish most people would read these very relevant and highly credible pieces from sources that cannot be disputed as being wackos...
Rick, agreed with both thoughts!
Teodoro, You're most welcome! Everone needs to decide for themselves what they believe but research IS the key.
kf:
Have they checked under the pool table in the back of the local Roadhouse?
LOL, possibly with a high priced New York call girl?
No she's busy writing a book and apologizing to Elliott's wife!
She wasn't apologizing to Elliot's wife. She was with Diane Sawyer in a very pricey-looking, proper blue dress. I guess hooker dress code would not have cut it for a tete-a-tete with Ms. Sawyer.
The makeup still looked like one I might see on a local, "overpainted puta" to quote Sara Paretsky's "Fire Sale" book.
Lkessler,
When I refered to the apology to Elliott's wife, that was on a news show this past week. I believe the quote from the reporter was that she had made an attempt to apologize to Elliott's wife, but she was still looking to pen a book deal.
Southern Bell: Well, paint me shocked--not really, but why am I not surprised that she's looking to extend her 15 minutes of infamy (which she has completely overextended by a full 14 minutes 58 seconds?)
LOLOL!!
I totally agree, but what I want to know is, why is this chick not in jail or why no jail time for her since she has openly admitted to being a "call girl"? Yep last time I checked the definition of that term it was the same as "Prostitute" which I thought was a crime and the level of this being a crime has nothing to do with the dollar amount you charge for said services.
Furthermore a ho is a ho is a ho, no matter what she's wearing or what she charges. She still should have set her happy ass in jail and also should have a record of such charges. Elliott resigned his job and was publicly humiliated (by his own actions, nonetheless) and now she's some kind of dam star. I bet Hollywood Blvd and a lot of other red light district ladies would like the celebrity status of sitting down with Diane Sawyer!
I would comment on this, but I'm afraid I would also "vanish."
On the other hand if and when the prisoners in Guantanamo are released, I think they should be released in Crawford, TX and Casper, WY (home of Cheney).
Ahhh... just a thought...
A very well thought plan... I can imagine in full color.
Since the people at Gitmo are all innocent what difference does it make where they are released?
I will drive them
FAQ - haha That's the best comment! Try to drop bread crumbs and we'll track you.
Good idea about the release locations.
previous post...these charges have not been dismissed, they are to be arraigned(but do not have to appear at arraignment) I do not think this particular case will succeed, BUT I hope this is just the beginning for this bunch in a laundry list of charges from different courts including the Hague for War Crimes.
yay then we can be called America again!
I'm sure, as the poster said, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this. But heck, it raised my eyebrows to see the headline - and it does read like a conspiracy novel.
*grin* Hope the dude just forgot or something. :/
The last I heard, Cheney invited him out on a hunting trip....they were going to discuss some of their differences and try to clear up some issues
Sleep over with Jimmy Hoffa maybe, that guy, you never know where he's staying from one night to the next.
Being a Democrat he was probably stupid enough to go on the hunting trip.
Thats it Independentvoter! Get that anger out over the results of the election. Find any needless reason to insult someone who is not faithfully buying in to the Bush/Chaney administration "we've done nothing wrong!!!"
Overlook the fact that the same person your calling stupid may be the victim of a crime, and the fact that he was smart enough to accomplish something no one else has done, bring enough evidence out to get an indictment. But hey, if Chaney's best interest is at heart I'm sure all the big dogs from the republican party can step up and speak for his character. Bush can still make one final pitty act and pardon him and Gonzales.
Overlook the fact that the same person your calling stupid may be the victim of a crime,
You really should read the latest post before commenting; see post 20
Hello Waynester,
I did read post 20, however the post I was responding to with my comment was trying to say that a democrat would be stupid enough to go on a hunting trip with Cheney. While it was probably an attempt at humor, it is never a good thing to joke like that when someone is missing, which is the essential topic of the article that he was not in court.
BTW: I'm also a ZZtop fan. "Women really go crazy about a sharp dressed man"
I apologize if my commenting on something you felt inappropriate has offended you.
No worries, southern. I love southern belles! At least, when I get the chance ::wink::-)
What happens in Texas stays in Texas ? This administration will be one for historians to sort out for years to come. Can't wait for the movie to come out.
"What happens in Texas stays in Texas" Hey! I object!
Maybe he went visting some of those good old men in mississippi or maybe he visited some of those men in cullman Alabama who knows.
Guerra told The Brownsville Herald he did not receive any kind of notice regarding Wednesday's court proceedings.
Well, I guess all the hyperventilating conspiracist Bush/Cheney haters will just have to relax...
Until next time.
Bwaahaahaaahaaaa...
Well that's no fun!
In person or over the phone? Maybe still a chance for laughs? Someone calls me I don`t recognise on the caller ID I am the governor! Can`t fake Pope Paul, no accent.
Can`t fake Pope Paul, no accent.
Also, he's dead.
LOL Kill. Finger on the button always.
LOL Kill,ya think I heard about that. I really can`t think of the new ones name, not a subject of interest to me. Not even enough to look it up, probably some old guy?
Pope Benedict XVI, formerly Cardinal Ratzinger (sp?)
I absolutely love Texas. I had to say that as I don't want the whole state to be associated with this whatever it is. I don't even live there but I do have ties to this magnificent state.
That said, maybe it was nothing more than nerves. Perhaps, we are just jumping to conclusions. There are a million reasons other than what has been posted here. But, there is a lot of prairie, I must admit. Cactus, tumbleweeds, Longhorns, true prairie, coyotes, jack rabbits, wild boars, list goes on and on.
Susan, read post 20 please.
I love Texas too. As ZZtop says "People in Texas don't care if the sun don't shine."
Wayne, I can see that you are not from Texas. Thank-you.
thank you waynester! Hee hee. I feel so silly!!!
here i am worrying for nothing.
Wayne, I can see that you are not from Texas
No, but my last name is Austin! (I have a sister in League City, btw)
I'm stuck in Texas, and don't particularly like it.
Dallas is full of pretentious snobs, many whom I think are masquerading on lines of credit.
Like I always said "I can't love anything that is flat and ugly"
Then come to Houston baby! Best kept secret........................oh sh**!
Hmm....I'm not really into conspiracies...but this IS kinda of...weird
Hey Bar Fly, I'mma be in Dallas the weekend of Thanksgiving...going to my first football game at the Cotton Bowl...and you just gave me a heads up on the people...THX!
Kitti - depends on what area you are in, but I live in uptown, so i'm surrounded...
The part you are in sounds like 90 percent of the people in the city where I live now: Everyone is PRETENDING to be so rich and so important, but they have filled bankruptcy more times than I can count and they are living paycheck to paycheck like everyone else.
Most of the people in the Dallas Ft. Worth area live in Suburbs... Most are great people.
Uptown are New York wannabees..
Mr. Rogers, more like LA wannabes with all the fakeness and "bolt on" body modifications...
You mean Tupperware? ;>)
Houston? I have only visited but the time I was there, I became saturated between the walk from the car to the inside of the house. HUMIDITY!!!
Dallas, I love the series. I love Dallas, Plano, Richardson, Grapevine, all of them.
I love Wichita Falls and Henrietta which is about 20 miles east of Wichita Falls. I have family in every part of Texas. Love the state!!!
I love the terrain, the Texas Blue Bonnets, the Jack rabbits, the howl of the coyote, the smell of the skunk as it goes under the farm house, the sunsets, the oil derricks, the smell, the air, the cowboys and I don't mean the football team, my list goes on forever and ever.
Oh, once you get used to it.........it is still hot as hell. But there is so much more here to do and see than I ever thought( and I have been some places Lampasas, Buda, Del Rio: just kidding). Lived 25 years in San Antonio and I will NEVER move back. Been to many parts of the world and here is where I will stay(unless I get to be Queen of Ireland). The big H is so much more fun!
Come on down, Sue, and we will show y'all a great time.
Come on this guy probably woke up from what ever drug induced coma he was in and said what am I doing? and is too embarrassed to show up at court. This is ridiculous, this is how Dem's don't let things go, No crime, just like Obama's has no ties to Ayers, and didn't get brainwashed by listening to Rev. Wright for 20+ years. Move On!
"just like Obama's has no ties to Ayers, and didn't get brainwashed by listening to Rev. Wright for 20+ years"
Oh yeah, it's the 'Dems' that don't let things go. Can you say irony, class?
<chiming in unison> "irony, class!"
Walter THAT was a triple entendre'. Good on you mate!
Thanks Barbara...I just surf seeds and hope that someone feeds lines as sweet as yours. You're a doll!
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead. |