"Under God?" 77% Of Americans Think School Children Should Recite The Pledge of Allegiance Daily

The real question is why Christianity was injected into the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's. I think, if you're going to do that, you have to change the God every year for the sake of being fair. Let's say.. "Under Allah" for 2009. :P How would you feel about that LIAMD?

If you don't like that idea, then you know what Killfile says is true.

 There is nothing in the Constitution which supports your argument.

There's nothing in the Constitution that supports an obiligatory oath be taken by children every morning either.  IN FACT, it IS an oath and no one under 18 should be ALLOWED to recite it every morning.  Not only that, but it was a bit of socialist advertising.  Socialist and defrocked minister Francis Bellamy wrote it for a friend who wanted to sell flags.  They published it in a popular at the time boys magazine and encouraged schools to purchase more flags and celebrate them. The irony that right wing nutcases are FIGHTING to be allowed to recite words written by a leftwing nutcase is so delicious.

Oh, and one thing Christians who say the Pledge every day ought to think about.  The Bible does have something to say about "vain repetitions", making oaths and serving two masters.  LOL  It's the one little pleasure I get when I see a bunch of Christians mouthing the words I refuse to say.  They are breaking three different rules.  ::snicker::

Apparently the truth was more than you could handle.  I'm not surprised, you continue to reinforce the liberal sterotype.  You must be so proud!

LIAMD #3.6

Apparently the truth was more than you could handle.  I'm not surprised, you continue to reinforce the liberal sterotype.  You must be so proud!

Apparently following and upholding the "laws of the land" (in this case, the CoH) is a liberal stereotype. I guess that explains the defamation of the United States Constitution these past 8 years. But I digress. ;)

In the military you do, it starts and you stop and face the flag and pledge.  And yes it is conditioning, I'm a bleeding heart anti-establishment liberal but my kids have routines, not out of punishment but because it makes them feel more secure.  Of course we switch it up so they don't turn out rigid but structure is importants for humans.  Plus, mabye we need to be reminded that its the country that we are not supporting not one party or another.  Have you heard the grieving Repubs lately?

Kids in school are learning. Once your out of school you apply what you have learned. When I was a kid in school I said the pledge everyday. The fact that God was mentioned in it never had any influence on my religious beliefs. You folks are making a mountain out of a molehill on this one. Religion is not taught in school. If a kid say "under God" once each morning I don't think it will railroad them into the local seminary. In fact I doubt that any of the kids that now say the pledge mention God the rest of the day in religious context. I do bet however that they use it repeatedly in all the other ways like OMG and GD etc.. Your stand to remove God from money and the pledge is a waste of time and energy. In the end there will be believers and non-believers like there always have been. People turn to God because they feelthat something is missing in there world and God, for some, fills that emptiness. That is a choice that every person has the right to make. I don't agree with all the crap I read from a lot of you but I do believe you have the right to feel the way you do. Jedi, it's a shame that you won't pledge your allegiance to this great country because "under God" is in it. There are a lot of brave men and women that have died for your right to speak your mind.

When I was a kid in school I said the pledge everyday. The fact that God was mentioned in it never had any influence on my religious beliefs.

And because it "never had any influence" on your beliefs, it must be impossible for it to have any influence on anyone else or their beliefs becuase, as we all know, experiences in this country are universal. 

Jedi, it's a shame that you won't pledge your allegiance to this great country because "under God" is in it. There are a lot of brave men and women that have died for your right to speak your mind.

Dang, If I only knew all had to do was say the pledge to honor my country and soldiers ... the time and breath I could have saved.

Well, all of you certainly have stuck your chests out and spoke well about why God isn't your thing. Well Done! I will enjoy the rest of my days (hopefully 20  to 30 years) knowing that during every one of them all of you all are fuming because God is still a part of the pledge and on money and hopefully in general just pissing you all off. It will stay because of the majority and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

God bless America and all of you!

Thanks for showing your true Christian spirit: reveling in the misery of others. You know the pledge is offensive to us. You don't care. In fact, you enjoy the fact that we are offended. I guess that's just the true nature of Christianity.

knowing that during every one of them all of you all are fuming because God is still a part of the pledge and on money and hopefully in general just pissing you all off. It will stay because of the majority and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

I don't give a damn if it says Under God or not.  I will not say it.  I'm not mouthing some tired socialist mantra that was nothing more than an advertising slogan when it was written.  LOL So I won't be fuming.  I will be lmao every time I hear one of you hypocrites saying it so proudly because it's obvious you are ignorant of history, ignorant of your own religion and liars.  Little children still  in school in your own minds who still sit down, shut up, and recite empty vain repetitions of meaningless drivel on command.  Do you still raise your hand to go potty? ::snicker:: Losers.

So, please, continue to amuse those of us who see through your delusions of patriotism to the empty, cowardly fools inside.

Adam Kemp, #6.2

Thanks for showing your true Christian spirit: reveling in the misery of others.

Oh snap!

Budinski, #6.1

Well, all of you certainly have stuck your chests out and spoke well about why God isn't your thing. 

Well, for many people, having God in the pledge and on money isn't really all that bad a thing. They just prefer to follow the teachings of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America. In particular, the separation of church and state.

You have mistaken me for a good christian. I, like the whole of mankind am a sinner. What I am is a beer drinking, woman loving patriotic concrete finisher that believes in God and country. I'm the proud son of an Air Force Colonel, I have a son in Army Airborne and one that's thinking about it. Been married one time only for 30 years to the same woman. If you think that I give a flip about hurting any of your feelings after being chewed up on this thread, you are sorely mistaken.

I'm not a sinner.  Sin does exist, it's a concept created to keep the foolish, weak and useless in line.  Again, obviously, you are not familiar with the underpinnings of your own belief system.

And I haven't mistaken you for a good anything.  You are a tool and a not very sharp one.  And if you think any of us care about your poor widdle feelings you are so mistaken.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if the pledge said something you didn't agree with (like "under Satan")? On second though, I don't wonder that. I know you would feel different. You're a hypocrite like all Christians trying to push their religion on others. It's all perfectly acceptable so long as it's your beliefs being pushed instead of someone else's.

When someone admits that he doesn't care if he offends other people, but obviously cares if he is offended (like, say, by removing "under God" from the pledge) then that makes him a hypocrite. I don't think it's wrong to point that out, even if it is unnecessary.

*shrug* I don't see the difference between those statements. They are effectively the same. One is just less direct.

*shrug* I don't see the difference between those statements

One criticizes the idea, the other criticizes the person.  It's a matter or respect.

No, it criticizes the actions, and someone who does things that are hypocritical is (by definition) a hypocrite. Any reasonable person who sees "what you just did was hypocritical" will understand that he is being called a hypocrite whether you say it like that or not, and (yes) that's the intent. I am intentionally criticizing the person based on his actions.

I even think it's relevant to mention hypocrisy in the context of the discussion because hypocrisy plays a key role in defense of the entanglement between religion and government. You can't be in favor of government and church entanglement without being a hypocrite because no one in their right mind would ever favor the government getting entangled in someone else's religion. The only people who are in favor of it are those who know that the government would be promoting their own religion, and then throw a fit every time the government does anything to even remotely promote a different religion or (*gasp*) secularism (which is different from atheism).

/is hurt

I don't get warned?  Or was my nasty snipe just so awesome you can't bear to ding me. ::giggle::   I feel I've been pushing it all day and have been expecting a warning.