More Proof Republicans Are Selling Out America: Non Partisan Congressional Research Service Told GOP That Government Spending and Middle Class Tax Cuts Offered The Best Stimulus Bang For The Buck.

KF, minor modification to your thought process. Republicans have a storied history of wanting to give money to those who work for it.

BKER1492

Republicans have a history of shifting money from the American worker to the company executives. Reagan set in motion the destruction of the middle-class by heavy deregulation, dismantling of unions, and tax cuts for the wealthy. Bush followed through with the death blow.

don't forget Clinton's participation Brian. He did his part. His presidency was the work break, the promotion that was title only, but no meat, given we just gave it all back. This government is united in their wealth. It keeps them resolved together.

this is a game tag team. we are the opponent.

THE GOP want to make it easy for peopel without any ethics to earn as much money as humanly possible.
This is great for the individual without ethics.. but not always great for the country.

I say without ethics cause i think it is unconscionable to build a company and then do really well and not sahre some of the doing well with teh employees that got you there.

ANd sorry but if you tank a company and take 200 million ..that should be unethical in anyones book.

BKER1492

Please tell me that a working joe who doesn't get those BIG tax breaks like the corporate COEs didn't WORK for his paycheck. Please. You will make plenty of working rs very unhappy and the Ds real happy. It will just go to prove OUR point!

bker1492 ...

Dude,

Are you outa your bloody mind to come in here with that weak poop against this lineup? This is murderers row lol

This is like your first walk down the cages at the Rikers Island for democrats! you fresh meat here kid....

dude, I am republican but I'm not crazy... so, advice, free, worth every penny...

....run....

PS hiya boys :) dumb asses got caught again, so ya got us fair on this. But wait'll you see Sarah's new wardrobe. It’s a kick…wink

i was reminded today that if you want to make money you have to spend money, the republican want to cut taxes, they were the one who wanted a strong defence so if you cut taxes what are you going to do to fund the military, the republican are like fox news fair and what ever.

BRAIN497171 are his speeches as Styrofoam as Mr Bush, like those back ground poster to remind the ex president the topic of the day was.

Pretty tough talk from a group putting Tax cheats in charge of the Gov. You guys ever going to come up with concrete proof on Bush, Cheney, and 911

BKER1492, if you can't see though the all of that smoke and mirrors you need to go to the eye doctor, Cheney told the truth, now thus is what he said, yes we torturedfor the good of the country, and that was on national television. and the president new all about it, straight from dick's mouth.

count down to ..
wikileaks is just a liberal mouthpiece.. like wikipedia, snopes, factcheck.org, newsvine, the news, the aba, the cia, our schools and teachers, tv, movies...
easier to say
"everything and everyone is liberal but churches and conservtvie radio"

And Fox. You can't forget Fox.

Yes, it's always control and spin of the media and the "message". Who really knows what "reliable sources" are any more? In the battle of general mis-information distribution, I think clearer heads should prevail, as the "truth" would be determined by those who discuss and debate the real issues and information accuracy.

Rove? that boy is like National Geo sex. The Republicans are way past that. They into some back page of Hustler stuff these days.

still, now and again I feel sorry for em in a kinda there goes the mentally challenged kinda way....but that passes, and pretty quick...

"They into some back page of Hustler stuff these days."

Like "Nailin Palin" ?

a palin wink wink for the player...:)

and that's the truth, facts are not what the republican are good at, they have their slogan's and their toughness,

errant b you won't get that from fox news, and old billo.

I don't know... I don't see them so organized or well led to even catorgize this as an attempt of the Party per se. It seems the only thing they have holding them together is an irrational hate, of all kinds of things, to many for even them to count.

Its primal though thats for sure but I don't see a brain behind it anymore.

Primal in a fish outa water way.

It flopping and flopping, doesn't know why but it will fight with every breath for its life because it has to.

Thats what I see of the Republican Party, the brains walked out in the middle of the last election, most with one look at palins ankles, and now there it is... flop, flop, flop...

Remember this though....one of these flops it may just get lucky and hit the pool again.....then you figure out ohhh damn.... it was a shark flooping around over there...

RENARD they want to destroy America, not only president Obama but our way of life.

No, we are trying to preserve the Constitution. It is Obama , Pelosi, Reid etc. trying to destroy it. They have the power now and are ramming a new government system into place without any public disclosure or debate. It happened in October with the Bush, Paulson, Pelosi, Dodd and Frank with the dire emergency TARP bill which gave unelected officials absolute control of the Treasury. Now we have a stealth National healthcare beauracracy hidden in the Stimulus bill. (as Daschle wrote should happen) No public disclosure ,no debate. These things are against all principles this country was built on and direct violation of the constitution.

I don't care about your political persuasion this is wrong on every level and we Conservatives will fight it and make it public since the media will not.

Redmichigan

You must be out of your mind if you think the State of Michigan will ever vote Republican in the rest of your life time. Don't you remember that John McCain 1st waved the white flag of surrender in Michigan. This where this recession started when George Bush and the Republicans came to power and it has been all down hill every since.

It was a Obama blowout in Michigan as he swept almost every midwestern state.

It is simple they are out of work Americans who desperately want to hold on to their and their families lives and lifestyles.

And since he is the President of the entire United States of America what could be more fitting, than to go to where people are hurting for real regardless of their political party.

What is really sad is for Dick Lugar the Senator of the state of Indianna, to side against his own constituents who are in such desperate straights while he postures with his party in a badly misguided attempt at party unity.

BKER 1492, their was an article on newsvine that said the poor pay most of the taxes in this country, look it up.

remember between 1996 and 2000 the "boom" years, almost 70% of US corps paid no taxes. But we paid ours didnt we?

JC what are you smokin? Nearly 40% of the country pays no federal Income taxes at all.

BKER1492,

You mean to say unemployment is actually 40%? Really?!?

That's the ONLY way your claim makes ANY sense. You're cherry-picking here, and on top of that SERIOUSLY skewing the definition of 'paying taxes.'

I don't know why this concept is so foreign, so I'm going to break it down shotgun-style..

I go to my job, and do my job. Every two weeks , I get paid. Out of my paycheck comes my medical, my unemployment, my workers comp, and my state and federal taxes! They're deducted (hence the difference between net and gross pay) and they go to the IRS.

At the end of the year, I receive a W2 with my amount of taxes paid year to date! I go into tax preparer, who looks up my yearly income, gets my taxable income rate, and then compares that to the amount of taxes paid year to date! Then if it's less than my deductions, I get a refund. If it's more, I owe additional taxes!

Every legally employeed person pays taxes. The part you're complaining about is that come April, 60 % had more taxable income than they had deductions, and they owe additional taxes!!

Oddly enough , the majority of people who pay additional taxes aren't by definition wealthy people at all. They're waiters, bartenders, baristas, contractors, construction workers, people who's union went on strike and were collecting unemployment. In short, people who've received a 1099 instead of a W2. (Coincidentally, these are also the people who are most likely to be audited by the IRS.)

And they say liberals don't understand taxes...

Well said Sgt C

rv's are the new housing paradigm for foreclosed homeowners - AND they can quickly pull up stakes and join the stampede to the next job opening at McDonald's - the PERFECT rah-rah speech backdrop for the "New America"

Let me guess, you didn't mean to post this in this subthread...

yup - meant to address the seed - oh well, BTW, in California, the EMPLOYER is dunned for unemployment taxation (on a sliding scale calculated from the employer's hiring/layoff history)

Consevativatism dictates you don't share the rights to opportunity. Liberalism dictates you do

I can't say it enough.

according to Rasmussen

Lol. A completely reliable an objective polling outfit.

I am 100% in favor of Domestic Aid, I dont care where in America the Democrats spend money as long as it is not in the State of Iraq or the State of Afghanistan, or the State of Pakistan. The Republicans spent so many of our tax dollars in those states I actually mentally added them as our 51st, 52nd and 53rd states.

Dawn...have YOU even bothered to look at the bill? It is a dooozie! Unfortunately it doesn't name those who put in the amendments. Too bad cause then we WOULD KNOW who keeps putting in the tripe. I'm sure that plenty was put in by the tighty-righties as well as those on the left.. personally I would like to see the farm subsidies to the corporate farmers eliminated. That would free up plenty of $$$. Also the subsidies to big oil and the drug companies.....

Those who worked hard and now find themselves unemployed cause of this mess certainly don't deserve to be kicked in the balls cause now they are wage earners. WE need to cut CORPORATE welfare and help Joe Q Public who has been treated very badly by the right and their supporters!

Dawn, we need to give those checks to the poor. It's a good way of acclimating them to modern society. If they have money, they'll actually start paying for things. If they remain poor and desperate they'll keep breaking in your car window at night to take the 57 cents out of your cup holder. I don't know about you, but I'm sick of having my car broken in to.

DAWN ALLISON what would you call the bail out of wall street, was that not welfare,

you figure out for the 350 million Americans who live in America how much every American will receive out of this $790 billion and compare that to how much the Republicans spent on the 25 million Iraqis and how much was spent on each Iraqi for the 858 billion the Republicans wasted on their dumb misguided war.

Dawn:

Take your own advice and put down the republican script, will ya?

Blah, blah, blah poor people are greedy and evil. blah, blah, blah welfare nation.

Wow, don't get me wrong, Brian, but I do think that there is way too much "pork" in that package. I read the first 25 pages the first evening when it first came out, and heaven help me, I didn't see a darn thing there that would benefit me (average american employee, middle class, struggling to make it each month while attempting to save for rainier days--as the rainy days are already here).

I read the next 25 last night. I cannot find a thing yet. If anyone else has gotten beyond page 50, and can point me in the direction of help for the middle class, please let me know.

I think saving or creating jobs will help the middle class, but I could be wrong.

Brian-you forgot the s-bomb. (socialism OMG)

No thanks. I really don't want to create bigger government Killfile. Anything that helps the middle class while keeping government small (or making it smaller) is what I'm after.

Well, I assure you, Killfile, middle class Americans would benefit from smaller government--and less social programs.

If I wanted to keep foodstamps alive, hell, I might as well pop 14 babies and go apply for a bunch of them. That way you and the rest of middle America can support me (and my 14 babies).

I'm sorry, that's that loony woman in California. Nevermind.

Anything that helps the middle class while keeping government small (or making it smaller) is what I'm after.

Well, LK, then you live in a fantasy world. It is not possible to have a strong, stable middle class without a strong Government providing oversight, regulations, and a safety net.

It is not in the best interest of the private sector to create a strong middle class because those private companies are in the hands of human beings who are all trying to get as much wealth and power as possible. Also, a strong and informed middle class prevents the theft and oppression by the powerful. For that reason, the only group able to look out for the best interests of the middle class is the government, which by the way, is elected by the citizens who are by and large MIDDLE CLASS.

well there goes one now...flop flop flop...welfare bill, Under Obama, total gov. control

no idea where it is or how to get there but.....

You forget so quickly that George Bush and company were very intent on segregating all power in the executive branch. Is that not complete governmental control? Good thing they weren't successful

$800,000,000,000 given to 11,600,000 unemployed workers would be about $69,000 per person. Now that's a stimulus I could get into. Give me $69,000 and let me see if I can jump start the local economy. I don't think I need a new aqurium in the neighborhood or another documentary about the mating habits of the dung beetle on PBS.

Does any one know how much money did those 3,000,000,000 people make per day and how much money did the middle class lose when their jobs disappeared. Also how many of those 3,000,000,000 people will now collect unemployment, foodstamps, welfare, medicare and medicaid. How many children are associated with those lost jobs if you say maybe a averageof 2 kids per lost job that would mean 9 to 12 million people lost their livelihood.

renard.......the problem is that the Rs don't CARE!

I know , thats why I am on the vine to tell the Republicans that this calamity is coming to a town,village, city or state near them and it is coming real soon.

We have watched for 8 years as the Republicans and their friends have systematically looted the country and the federal treasury all the while enriching themselves, at the expense of the poor and the middle class.

Dawn Allison,

Eventually, there will be more minorites and gov. dependence,

Silly goose, when the day comes that there are more minorities that will only mean that you've become the minority. You should start befriending minorities so they don't relegate you to the sweet sweet welfare life when that day comes.

Wow, all of us capitalists had better start packing--this country is going to hell in a democratic handbasket, and fast... If all of you don't think there are enough laws already, well, what you want is your government to babysit you and provide everything for you. I'm grown up and can do on my own, thanks very much.

Just because the leaders you elected can't/won't enforce the existing laws doesn't mean they aren't in the books.

DAWN ALLISON you are misinformed, big business are the biggest welfare receipted in the country, but what the hell that's dose not make any difference with you, you were told by the republican that blacksand poor folks are the one who is bringing down the country when you no better, remember president Obama have not been in office long enough for him to do everything you are trying to say, president George W. Bush spent our money like a drunken sailor, he was the decider, king George new best.

So we have traded one president that spent our money like a drunken sailor and got another one that is trying to do the same thing.................... This bill is crap.

Hey we are worried about our jobs as much as anyone else. But not willing to see the absolute gutting of the Constitution and give an absolute blank check to the government to control our lives and income. The conservatives are getting a real bad rap for trying to keep this spending bill under control. To say they don't care is just foolish. They are the only ones who are actually telling the public what is in the legislation. Are any of you aware of the latest health care item in the bill? Daschle's blueprint for Federal oversight of medical treatments is buried in the medical records technology provision. This is actually creates a National Health Cooridinator who will approve or disapprove of your medical treatment . This is just one of the hidden social programs which have nothing to do with the economy. President Obama stood up in front of us last night and didn't bother to mention it. There will be a time to have national health care debate but apparently he prefers to forego that all that messy Congress stuff and install it now. It is there and who knows what else we are about to be forced into? Why can't we have an economic package that will actually stimulate the economy with none of the hidden pork projects and Democrat paybacks?

So we have traded one president that spent our money like a drunken sailor and got another one that is trying to do the same thing................

No, we had one president who spent money that way. This president inherited an economy on life support and is attempting to revive the patient with a jolt. Yep, just like on ER when the patient has died on the table.

And before you began with which approach is best i.e. tax cuts, save it.

We need to stimulate, reinvigorate and jump start that heart again.

Tax cuts wont do it. For they are one of the reasons the patient is in cardiac arrest. Having clogged the veins, the result of a gluttonous appetite filled with that deadly cholesterol cocktail of avarice and greed.

Respect

Dawn ... slaves ? libs are slavers get a grip.

You sound like Glenn Beck calling the stim package "Nation Socialism" as in Nazi. A rational debate requires a rational mind. Maybe you came to the right place after all.

Well, I assure you, Killfile, middle class Americans would benefit from smaller government--and less social programs.

The "appropriate" regulatory interface between governments and markets is a topic of constant debate in the professional literature in political economy.

But hey, if you ASSURE us that your completely unsubstantiated and ideologically motivated statement is true, well, what more could we possibly ask for?

I feel better. Really.

You are wrong those 3 Republican Senators earned my respect, well actually Arlen Spector already had earned it, but the 2 ladies along with Senator Spector are the only Republicans who actually placed the welfare of the American people above the political interest of their political party.

Rickace: thank goodness for the rest of the republicans for seeing a porkfest and calling it by its real name--and refusing to buy into it.

renard

You mean welfare FOR the American people.

renard

You are wrong those 3 Republican Senators earned my respect

Comrade! No one needs to earn. The Obamessiah giveth.

Comrade!

; )

I am rowing hard as I can. I am right with you ftmackinc. My job is stable, not sure about my husband or son-in-law. Losing alot of sleep these days.

We are all losing sleep, those of us that work for a living or are depending on a small business for our livelihood. These are really uncertain times as we are all just a pink slip from unemployment and possibly the welfare lines.

ohhh joe you hadda go there...

right into the racist malarky of blame those poor dirty and browner guys over there.

Well no sir no no no

It is racist and bigoted and foul period. It was wrong when it was done to blacks, yellows, women, gypsies, jews, the irish and on and on. And now it is just as wrong when done to what you like to call "illegals" as a cover for this stinking BS.

And Joe, don't try and kid me, I'm white, southern middle class and voted republican since Reagan. So spare me I'm a liberal whatever ok? I have been up against your kind my whole life.

You have a rotten mind, I can tell by what is leaking.

I beg your pardon. I'm southern from Tenn. There is no bigotry involved here. This is reality. Was in construction sector myself for over 16 yrs. If you have not seen the influx of mexican labor, then you just ain't looking. When you walk thru Walmart and everything they have in center aisle is turned to Spanish wording to outside then you kind of get the picture of what is going on. You may hide your eyes but it is definitly there. I challange you to drive around construction sites in the south. If I am wrong then I will apologize. Keep your personal opinion of me to yourself and open your eyes. As far as bigrotry, I have Mexican friends, vietnamese friends, many African-american friends. Been to their homes as well as churches so spare me the junk

ok fine I will accept that as fairly said but.... I ask, without trying to be a wise ass, can you honestly not see that shifting the blame to one section of the population for this mess is not just illogical but the definition of bigotry and racism? Can you not follow the path of history straight thru from Nazi Germany and segregation up to today and the jingoisms that are a war against people....just people, whether Mexican or Costa Rican or illegal or gay or female or Korean or me or you? Just trying to get along in this world?

So I will believe that in your personal life you are exemplary in fairness and open respect for everyone. So if I have insulted you on that I bow and apologize.

But on this point then I will stand. Your statement reflects an idea and thoughts and then action I can not bear. I think on this I am right

Respectfully,

FT

Everyone needs a scapegoat.

You better get out their and apply while you are driving by

"I beg your pardon. I'm southern from Tenn"

Oh my God!! One of the largest per capita welfare recipient states there is!! You don't want the program? Cool!

Do those figures include the 800 bil in Bailout 1, the 2 trillion that Geithner is going to demand for Bailout 2, the next Credit bailout for all the coming defaults on credit cards and mortagages due to current unemployment ? We are at - 10 Trillion since fall and counting. The coming inflation will be brutal and cause further unemployment. This is wrong headed legislation. Obama says only government can save the economy. The thing is that the Constitution does not allow the government to control the economy. In fact government interference is the cause of this mess in the first place. The basic truth is a nation cannot borrow and or spend itself out of a financial hole. This legislation will permanently cripple the US economy and commit our children to economic slavery for their entire lives.

Good try. One more time slowly. D i d y o u r e a d t h e b i l l?

Fair enough. Now did you see anywhere where people in manufacturing say around my area which have just shut down such as Whirlpool, Delta faucet, Wilson sporting goods,Daltile just to name a few are going to benefit outside having their unemployment extended? Infrastructure and construction sounds encouraging on the surface but they are not permanent jobs. I know since I was in construction at one time. Does making sure broadband is available nationwide ( if you read the restrictions on this would means this ideal is misleading ) put these manufacturing workers back to work? Wii allowing 640 million for more coupons for digital signal put them back to work. Would billions spent on education put them back to work. Is $20 a wk off your check really going to make a difference especially if gas goes back up. Will a one time 500 dollar ck. for a few really going to make a difference. These are just a few things which are in the bill and will not help these folks who have worked up to 30 yrs,in these plants. This bill is targeted all right just at the wrong targets

How is handing out condoms going to create a job, and then another job and then another job?

I think most pharmacies carry condoms, it isn't that difficult to get one, and we don't need to spend any more money on them. A person who is not responsible isn't going to use one. One who is, will walk into a store and buy one. We don't need the government buying anymore.

Killfile

Jobs that create jobs that create jobs is actually capitalistic and takes several years to accomplish. This bill was suppose to be immediate relief. Let's look at something people don't realize. So much is said about building schools, bridges etc. Do you know how long it takes just to draw up plans and specs for such projects. Usually up to a year and that is just the first step, Usually takes up to 1 1/2 yrs before construction begins then last avg. of 1 yr. That is not permanent jobs and too slow in process to really stimulate an economy unless done on a massive scale. Killfile, coming from someone who has dealt with both architects and engineers. Everything looks good on paper but rarely works out the same in real time. Even Obama himself is not sure this will work but states we have to do something now. I don't know about you but I always screw up when I get in a hurry. The same will happen here. I am a little tired of hearing "I inherited this recession" Well Mr. President you wanted it you got it. Quit making excuses. Also having an arrogant "I won" attitude is not change.

killfile and how is that going to improve our economy? This bill is nothing more than a senator wish list. Anything they ever wanted was added to this.

No killfile, the cost of funding "safe sex" programs in public schools is $4.50 per child for the taxpayer, and the cost of funding "abstinence" programs is $1.00 per child. But, the highest factor in the decline of teen births is abstinence which accounts for 53% of the decline and contraceptives as only 8%. But, Dems still want to keep throwing more money into ineffective programs.

Do the math....no I will do it for you. It's called the Dems trickle down economy...my Dem buddies and cronies who run these programs will get their piece of the condom along the way. Increasing the cost of that condom from a quarter to dollar. So now the taxpayer has spent 75 cents for a condom with a lousy return on its investment, when he could of went out and bought a candy bar and paid the wages for a candy maker in Hershey, PA.

Some more right wing rhetoric. It sucks when the facts get in the way......

Population Services International (PSI), a USAID-funded group, uses aggressive and ubiquitous advertising campaigns to flood the media with a pro-condom message.

Over the course of the nineties, USAID shipped approximately 5 billion condoms abroad.(3) Billions of others came from the UN Population Fund, the UK’s Overseas Development Agency, and other providers. Yet, despite this flood of condoms into the developing world, the rate of HIV/AIDS infection continued to grow at startling rates. The number of victims increased one thousand-fold, from just over 40 thousand in 1990 to over 40 million in 2000. Why is this?

One answer may be suggested by a review of the scientific evidence on condom effectiveness conducted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH).(4) Citing a study by Davis and Weller, NIH postulated that condoms, if consistently and properly used, provide an 85% reduction in HIV/AIDS transmission risk.(5) While no one would deny that this reduction in risk is significant, it is far from being the perfect protection promised by the “safe sex” propaganda funded by USAID. Even paved with condoms, the road to promiscuity still leads to death.

The failure of condoms to provide perfect protection against HIV/AIDS is also suggested by studies of condom use for the prevention of pregnancy. Approximately 3% of couples who reported using condoms consistently and correctly (considered “perfect use”) are estimated to experience an unintended pregnancy during the first year of use.(6) If sperm can find their way around the latex barrier, then so, presumably, can the AIDS virus.

To further complicate matters, the presumed protection resulting from using a condom may lead to behavioral changes that completely negate the protection. For example, an individual who believes that consistent and correct use of condoms provides near-absolute protection against HIV/AIDS may engage in recklessly promiscuous behavior that they would otherwise avoid. Why? Because they have been led to believe that, by practicing “safe sex,” they are immune from contracting the disease. In this way, the rate of HIV/AIDS transmission may not be reduced at all by the “safe sex” message, but actually increase over time.

A recent article in The Lancet, a premier British medical journal, suggested that a condom-based approach, by creating a false sense of security on the part of users, had not only failed to stop the spread of AIDS, but had actually exacerbated the problem. The authors drew a parallel with the seat belt law, which was projected to dramatically decrease the number of traffic fatalities. Instead, the number of deaths remained roughly the same, as drivers took risks they previously would have avoided because they felt safer. (7)

Perhaps this is one of the reasons why, despite massive shipments of condoms overseas, the rate of HIV/AIDS infections continues to grow.

Only one African nation has successfully combated the scourge of AIDS. Uganda owes its success in combating AIDS, most health experts agree, chiefly to abstinence. "Uganda's outstanding success really has American heads turning," said Dr. Milton Amayun, World Vision's HIV/AIDS international program representative. "Experts in the U.S. are starting to see the value of teaching people to limit their sexual relationships within the context of marriage."(8)

Abstinence, not condoms, is the key to stopping the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

Thanks for some interesting information. It sure would be good to find something that works in slowing down AIDS in Africa. My hope for change would include something good happening for the people of that continent.

And here we have the token post patronizing Wikileaks. It only took three hours by my count!

Arad- a liitle slow out the gate today, huh?

I figure most of the GOP bloggers (note, I said most, not all!) are gnashing their teeth and watching Fox News frame the stimulus as the Apocalypse.

oh its worse than the Apocalypse, its "socialism" blah blah "welfare" blah "marxism"...............

exactly, which is what the President is seeking to do. Glad you agree!

Don't doubt for a minute that they're NOT.. Just look at the last eight years.

Yes, along with literacy, reading comprehension, pronunciation, and competency.

Logic and common sense shouldn't be excluded either.

>From 1933 to 1940, the unemployment rate averaged 18 percent. As the 1930s ended, FDR's Treasury secretary, Henry Morgenthau, wrote in his diary: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.... We have never made good on our promises.... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!" ( from Thomas Woods book "Meltdown")

The Dow is down because the market freaked at the prospect of spending 2 trillion on TARP 2 and another 1tril on the so called Stimulus (forced Socialist debt into perpetuity )bill.

Without any intervention the market would recover and jobs and business would come back in a year or so. Banks which made bad investments should have failed. We would have taken a hit and recovered soon. As it is, we can count on a prolonged recession and high unemployment and inflation for a long time as a result of all this government "fixing" the economy.

By the way calls to Congress and Senate from the people are running over 100:1 against passing this bill. We the people defeated Amnesty and we can scrap this thing too.

The DOW dropped today becaue the new Tax Cheat Tresury Sec said nothing specific in his plan.

red-said,

Without any intervention the market would recover and jobs and business would come back in a year or so.

According to who, you? There are many economist who would disagree.

By the way calls to Congress and Senate from the people are running over 100:1 against passing this bill.

Again, recent polling would disagree. People you cant just through stuff out there that you got from Fox News. You know they dont take the time to verify what they report on.

Respect.

Here are the words of some who do agree. Full page add in the NY Times, Washington Post and Roll Call signed by 200 Economists including James Buchanan, who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 1986 for his work on how politicians’ self-interest and non-economic forces affect government economic policy. ________________________________________________________________—

There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy. (words of President Back Obama)

With all due respect Mr. President, that is not true.

They continue by saying:

Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, we the undersigned do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan’s “lost decade” in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policymakers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.