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Internet Users Are Asking: "Did Glenn Beck Rape and Murder a Young Girl in 1990," Post Cash Reward For Anyone Who Can Prove He Didn't

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This site exists to probe the vicious rumour that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. We don't claim to know the truth -- only that there's a rumour floating around saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. So we're going to do out part to try and help get to the bottom of this.

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Killfile

The fact that questions are being asked is irrefutable and thusfar Beck has been totally unable to provide any proof or evidence that he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.

Now, some may say that it's unfair or unrealistic to demand proof of Beck's innocence or that it's even impossible to prove a negative. Those are fair criticisms which is why investigative journalists and bloggers should only hold Beck to the same standards he holds others: asking leading questions which can't be answered and then using those questions to infer guilt.

  • 85 votes
#1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
Asheville Jack

Just a reminder to Glenn Beck:

"If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas."

  • 35 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:40 AM EDT
Spectator99

Lying and misrepresenting facts for a living has its dangers. Sooner or later you are going to fall victim to your own mean shtick. Baste in the juices for a while Glen and see how it feels to become a victim to your own modus operandi.

  • 31 votes
#1.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
URFullOfIt

I thought our justice system, required accusers to prove guilt.

Not the other way around.

What can you prove you are innocent of?

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
MichelleUT

I thought our justice system, required accusers to prove guilt.

Not the other way around.

What can you prove you are innocent of?

I thought this, too, and then we created Gitmo. Beck supports that, and thus, he should feel the same heat pressed upon him.

  • 50 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
Killfile

I thought our justice system, required accusers to prove guilt.

Our justice system? Yes. The court of public option often works the other way around, however. That's what Beck relies upon to set up his smears.

  • 54 votes
#1.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:26 AM EDT
Rainkiss

I thought our justice system, required accusers to prove guilt.

Not the other way around.

Really? Well, then, where's Beck's proof that Obama is a Marxist?

He keeps accusing him, after all...

  • 43 votes
#1.6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
madvargr

Didn't the humourless fascists already collapse a thread like this??

Good luck Killfile.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:47 AM EDT
Killfile

They very well may, Madvargr.

I've tried very hard to make sure that there is nothing in the least bit objectionable about the headline or the article. It's tagged Satire, the headline does not say that Beck raped and murdered anyone (it says that people are asking), and I've gone out of my way to ensure that the fact that it is satire is obvious in the comments.

While many people are asking if Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 and while Beck has been unable to provide any evidence to the contrary, we must recognize the importance of our judicial system and not jump to any conclusions. Before anyone decides that Beck is guilty of these crimes he should obviously have his day in court.

  • 33 votes
#1.8 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
factcheckme

oh, goody! self-identified liberal democrats invoking images of the rape and murder of girls, and laughing about it, to advance their "liberal" agenda.

sorry, guys, but this is just another example of self-identified liberal progressives demonstrating that they are disgusing misogynists. find another hobby, and take a good look in the mirror, when you have a chance.

  • 30 votes
#1.9 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
Killfile

Who's laughing? The possibility that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 is a very serious allegation. A lot of people are asking about this, FCM, and if Beck really did do this he needs to spend a very long time in prison.

I don't blame people for being concerned really. Beck's show is popular with young conservatives and given that it's only natural that parents would ask what kind of person is influencing their children.

Lots of people are asking this question, FCM, and they deserve answers. Why won't Beck comment on this issue and why has he thus far refused to release any evidence that proves his innocence?

Beck makes a lot of jokes on his show, FCM, but rape and murder are not laughing matters.

  • 40 votes
#1.10 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
factcheckme

but rape and murder are not laughing matters.

then why is the word "satire" in your tagline? and why are so many of your readers typing LOL etc?

  • 19 votes
#1.11 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
Killfile

I'm sure they're laughing at Beck's misfortune at being caught up in such a nasty scandal. Schadenfreude you know...

As for Satire, I think that's adequately explained in the rest of the thread.

  • 30 votes
#1.12 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
Johnny Yuma

madvargr

Didn't the humourless fascists already collapse a thread like this??

I'm not sure about "humorless fascists" ,but somebody sure did collapse the seed I planted about this very same story.

Ah well......c'est la vie !

  • 12 votes
#1.13 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:40 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Wow, the smear Glenn camp is really getting low. Making accusations of rape and murder. The boycott and harassment of his endorsers weren't enough for y'all?

What's the "girls" name? This is so serious she is faceless huh... Pfft yeah.

  • 21 votes
#1.14 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:15 PM EDT
john-1205479

What kind of scandal is this for beck. If he hears about this I'm sure he will be crying again from laughter. I guess you guys figured out that the boycott isn't working so you're trying something else. Hell when I read it I was laughing.

Glenn is exposing Van jones(boycott starter& founder of color of change) on national TV and this is the best you can come up with. come on you guys could be more creative that this.

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
MatM

Wow, the smear Glenn camp is really getting low. Making accusations of rape and murder. The boycott and harassment of his endorsers weren't enough for y'all?

Oh come on, you're smarter than this.

A) the tags include one that says "satire"

B) If you go to the website, you'll quickly see that no accusations are being made, only the acknowledgement of a rumor.

C) You fail to see the irony in this joke. This is a pay-back joke to Glenn for his rediculous justification of the Birther movement, where Birthers accused Obama of something they had no proof for, then demanded that he prove himself innocent of their silly charges. This is the same thing. We hear that there are "rumors" of Beck's involvement in this rape/murder, and we are demanding that he prove to his that he didn't do it. The only difference between this charge and that of the Birthers is that this charge is not serious.

Really? You didn't see all of that? C'mon.

  • 30 votes
#1.16 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:35 PM EDT
hvymtl83

What's the "girls" name? This is so serious she is faceless huh... Pfft yeah.

He covered it up. That's why we don't know her name. In fact, he destroyed her birth certificate. We need to get to the bottom of this. He needs to answer these serious allegations. Do you really support a child rapist and murderer? What's wrong with you?

Not so funny when the shoe's on the other foot is it?

  • 24 votes
#1.17 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:53 PM EDT
FL Independent

What is see is continued hypocrisy. 'I hate when Glenn Beck does this so Im gonna do it too.'

This is a childish attitude doesnt solve anything. People wont really take it seriously since a name isnt even provided and just makes those doing it look dumb, just they claim it makes Beck look dumb. So why are they so quick to emulate him?

But then again, its not surprising. These people watched many of their democrat representatives complain about the Republican tactics during the Bush Admin and now enjoy how those same reps are emulating those same tactics they decried.

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:08 PM EDT
BAjunkie

I demand to see the long form acquittal, signed by the judge, with a raised seal! Why is he spending millions of dollars to cover this up?

  • 24 votes
#1.19 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:14 PM EDT
vol fan in chatt, tn

D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N. !!!!!!!!!!! How freakin funny that you guys had to stoop this low...just go ahead and flush, you guys...

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
jmonarchy

FL Independent, I don't know if the story is true or false or indifferent, but turn around is fair play, just like majority rules was fair when the republicans had a big majority. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
One must bear in mind that if you live in a glass house, you should not cast stones.

  • 15 votes
#1.21 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
onomatopoeia

Comparing accusations of nationality versus rape and murder is turnabout, but not fairplay. I would have no problem with anyone making satirical accusations against the pundidiot on similar grounds but this is beyond a strech don't you think?

  • 9 votes
#1.22 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
jmonarchy

If there is a viable lead that states this happened, don't you think it should be investigated and discussed? Valerie Plame is a prime example of how the vibratory roller of the GOP can crush someone when they are "Opposition".
I personally do not like Beck. I don't want to see anyone falsely accused, but I can see where he could have been in a drunken stupor (He is an alcoholic and has been since high school, college drop out first year) and miss stepped or acted out of drunkeness. It doesn't make it right because he was drunk. Maybe this was the incident that drove him to rehab. Maybe LDS has helped him cope but when you have a jaded past, but you uncover the pasts of others, rest assured that the investigative reporters will seek you out for their own gain.

  • 10 votes
#1.23 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:31 PM EDT
onomatopoeia

This whole thing is satire...IMHO. I don't believe that there is one shred of truth to any of this. It is purely to drive the point waaaay out of the ballpark and into orbit that it is unfair and virtually impossible to expect someone to prove a negative in their own defense. I get it and it has its place. I wish that we could keep it civil and compare "apples to apples." Then again, if it bleeds.. it leads.

  • 6 votes
#1.24 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:41 PM EDT
usa1

I heard of this story, wasnt the little girl mentally challenged.

I might got the facts wrong it could have been Beck being mentally challenged.

18 years is a long time ago,

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:56 PM EDT
Dennis270

He covered it up. That's why we don't know her name. In fact, he destroyed her birth certificate

Actually, the police thought at first that they had identified the girl through a birth certificate found in her back pocket. But, upon further inspection, they realized it wasn't the long-form birth cert. that hospitals distribute so decided it wasn't a reliable source for positive ID.

  • 14 votes
#1.26 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:58 PM EDT
iluvmyblog

Oh come on, you're smarter than this.

Hi Mat,

I'm not sure if I should that as a compliment, lol.

Anyway like I said and as you said, this is to get back at Glenn, i.e, smear him. These allegations are seriously wrong. There is no justification, in my opinion. But hey whatever floats ya boat ;)

hvymtl83,

Apples and oranges is all I have to say.

Here's the article in a nutshell, the claims are bogus and the left stooped really low. And as porky would say... that's all folks.

  • 8 votes
#1.27 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
Willing.Sniper

Why are you so afraid of a very successful entertainer and radio & TV personality?
It doesn't show much depth to keep obsessioning....oh I get it......your a stalker of Becks!

Yeah,....that's it!

  • 5 votes
#1.28 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:08 PM EDT
usa1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

No I only pray that Becks cancer gets worse and he dies

  • 1 vote
#1.29 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:10 PM EDT
Norcal2

As far as I know Glenn Beck only kills himself. But that may be a sever case of hoof in mouth disease.

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:22 PM EDT
alanwillingham

Killfile - The fact that questions are being asked is irrefutable and thusfar Beck has been totally unable to provide any proof or evidence that he didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990.

You know, on another site I believe someone mentioned you may have done the exact same thing

Of course I don't know you or if you have been in the penitentiary or are on supervised parole of some kind, and it is not a concern to me personally, but what do you do about rumors?

You should go right over there and prove you didn't do those awful things, because I can't see anywhere that you have provided proof you didn't, or even denied it so far

...hope this helps

; )

  • 5 votes
#1.31 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:11 PM EDT
Spectator99

Fox News is the master propagandist. They are always airing misleading information or outright lies to boost their viewership. Lies such as - Obama hates white people, the government is out to kill granny, the death book, Trig would be killed, they will kill women with breast cancer, they will deny coverage to Repbulicans, they will fund abortions, they will serve illegals, Obama is not a legal citizen, constructing concentration camps, ad nauseam. I am sick and tired of their lies. Now it is time for Beck to prove that he didn't commit the deeds questioned in the article. According to his own sick MO, his silence must mean he is hiding something. Come clean Beck, now!

  • 7 votes
#1.32 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:25 PM EDT
d. pao

Let's don't forget cash for clunkers was a ploy for the government to spy on us through our home computers.

  • 7 votes
#1.33 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT
Larry Piper

Killfile,

Clearly Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a girl in 1990. Getting away with it until 2009 would require far more intellect than he has at his disposal!

  • 7 votes
#1.34 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:38 PM EDT
Jimster

Questions:

Is it assumed he didn't get caught and this is why therr's not record to check?

If he did get and convicted, why is he out and wherer's the record of it?

Should be easy to run down.

  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:43 PM EDT
Norcal2

For anyone who missed it click the link and read the statement at the bottom of the page. ;-)

Clever and funny.

  • 2 votes
#1.36 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
Rickeroo

I used to be against Obama.

Then I saw the headline about Beck and the killing in 1990.

Obama's policies then magically became much better to me.

I am now 100% for Obama. His policies make sense to me now.

  • 5 votes
#1.37 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Rickeroo, Beck manipulates situations and turns things into things that aren't there. Maybe this is some payback by people because of his tactics? This has nothing to do with Obama.

  • 2 votes
#1.38 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:14 PM EDT
STONEHENGE-575306

Play with a puppy and it will lick your mouth.

  • 1 vote
#1.39 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
Ninbyo

In this country, at least until Gitmo and other abuses, a person is innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is supposed to be on the accuser. Now, I can't stand Glenn Beck, but I don't want to see people stooping to his level.

I know it's satire and all but rape and murder shouldn't be made into a joke. Especially with a child as a victim.

  • 6 votes
#1.40 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
Doug-375144

Innocent until Proven guilty is still the law.

  • 3 votes
#1.41 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:07 AM EDT
caroaber

KF, I have to go on record here.

This is not what citizen journalism is about.

Remember "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street" (Twilight Zone)? Same goes for this story.

  • 7 votes
#1.42 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:40 AM EDT
Check your facts...

Not funny KF. I hope Glenn Beck sues you and the creators of that stupid website for slander or since it's printed libel. How sad that you are such a sycophant for Obama that you can't see the truth. This is disgusting, to joke about the murder and rape of a young girl for satire. You people are sick and a bunch of misogynists.

Ditto to caroaber. I can only hope that "what goes around comes around" for you. It's interesting that you can't attack the message, just the messenger. Sorry though, those pesky facts just won't go away.

  • 5 votes
#1.43 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:28 AM EDT
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WILDWONDERFUL

This is one slimy post.

  • 5 votes
#1.45 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:01 AM EDT
EllieP

Killfile, you have posted some crap on Newsvine but this must be a personal record. It is piled higher and deeper and even exceeds the stench of all those I have been unable to ignore in the past. That said, you are better than this.

People "ask" stupid crap on the internet all the time. That doesn't mean you have to stamp your name (and MSNBC's) on it and continue to spread it.

Frankly, I'm surprised MSNBC has allowed the article to stand this long. It's not like me to call you out. Usually I just use the ! key; but as I said, this case is exceptional.

  • 11 votes
#1.46 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:13 AM EDT
Killfile

It's satire caroaber; it's not supposed to be journalism. The entire purpose of this meme has been to use the same techniques that Beck and his ilk have embraced on their shows - the same techniques that they hold up as responsible and reasonable and acceptable so as to demonstrate that they are neither

  • 5 votes
#1.47 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 8:50 AM EDT
usa1

Why was my post collapsed? I was just implying the same as the minister that wished the same for our president. Arent ministers representitive of high moral values ?

  • 1 vote
#1.48 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
FL Independent

jmonarchy

FL Independent, I don't know if the story is true or false or indifferent, but turn around is fair play, just like majority rules was fair when the republicans had a big majority. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
One must bear in mind that if you live in a glass house, you should not cast stones.

I understand what the purpose is. However, it is also hypocritical. You are saying, 'look Glenn Beck can do this, so we can do it too'. That is a childish attitude and just creates an endless cycle. Pointing to other people's bad behavior does not excuse your bad behavior.

  • 2 votes
#1.49 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
Nofluer

1. You can't prove a negative.

2. By repeating this kind of crap, you become part of it, and as they say, @!$%# splatters.

3. This "article" reported as a "misconduct - unlawful" violation of CoH - in that you participate in a vicious smear campaign against another person.

You're ignored.

  • 7 votes
#1.50 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:49 AM EDT
Norcal2

Nofluer apparently you missed the point? You do the parody is to prove a positive...Beck does this like the Birther's in attacking Obama while knowing he was born in the US. In other words anyone can make up anything as they are currently doing to Obama and demand proof even when they have seen the truth.

You may see this spoof as damaging but many will see it as a thinking lesson.

  • 3 votes
#1.51 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
Nicey-1026620

Now, some may say that it's unfair or unrealistic to demand proof of Beck's innocence or that it's even impossible to prove a negative.

Like demanding a birth certificate that has been provided repeatedly by the State of Hawaii.

Maybe turn about is fair play.

  • 3 votes
#1.52 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
Rita-900543

I thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty. Sounds like another slimy trick to undermine a fellow human being.

    #1.53 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
    Rita-900543

    Nicey, everyone has to show a valid (original) of their birth certificate when running for president.....or when simply getting a passport. The one he produced was not an original....nor was it the standard issue. So, why couldn't he just do what everyone else is required to do. Was he saying he was above us all even then?

      #1.54 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
      jmonarchy

      Wait, I have seen many of you familiar posters make lying accusations about Obama...horrible accusations that are obvious lies and now you have moral high ground since it is one of your kindred spirit that has been attacked? Nice. Facts are facts though. Beck was a drunken idiot, flunked out of college his first year, had some DUI issues, found a niche for making money by spewing biased BS onto the right and got some talk show time, some books and is just riding that right to the bank everyday. I didn't write the article, nor did Killfile. He simply seeded it. It is what it is and I'm sure there is som e BS in it, but remember the BS that the radical right continues to seed and post and author.

      • 3 votes
      #1.55 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:29 PM EDT
      Rainkiss

      Nicey, everyone has to show a valid (original) of their birth certificate when running for president.....or when simply getting a passport. The one he produced was not an original....nor was it the standard issue. So, why couldn't he just do what everyone else is required to do. Was he saying he was above us all even then?

      You are incorrect. Valid does not equal Original. There are thousands of people in America who do not have their original birth certificates. They get lost, they get damaged. You can, at just about any time, request a valid copy of your birth certificate when that happens. That's why they keep records, so you can GET a copy when needed. The State of Hawaii issued the certificate shown as a true copy, and they've publicly verified it not once, but twice.

      One must wonder about the motivations of someone, anyone, who, in the face of prima facae evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii, refuses to accept it as fact. Ignorance of the law? Bigotry? Sour grapes?

      • 4 votes
      #1.56 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
      diedre

      Such a waste of time- cant you come up with something else to discuss??

      Obviously someone anti-right started this sh-t. Just because he speaks his mind.

      • 1 vote
      #1.57 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 12:56 AM EDT
      Jason Burnham

      I thought when I first saw this on another thread that it was just a sick tatic done by a Beck hating teenager.

      If you don't like Beck then don't watch him. Nobody is forcing you.

      With that said...

      Nobody is forcing me to read your articles.

      • 1 vote
      #1.58 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:44 AM EDT
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      Zoolopolis

      Damn, a chance to make easy money but no way to get it. You know he did it.

        #1.60 - Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
        justin200567890

        this is insane money to prove he didnt do it im pretty sure thats not the way it works in america your not proved innocent your proven guilty and to throw those kinds of allegations around in a pathetic attempt to discredit the man its depicable

          #1.61 - Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
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          ironyfree

          While I don't condone this, it is pretty funny.

          Actually it is hilarious.

          In bad taste absolutely, however Beck himself does taste pretty bad.

          But saying that someone raped a girl is a little over the line...

          Then again calling the president of the United States a Marxist following Mao doctrine....and a racist to boot....

          Oh well, if anyone asked I laughed and shook my head at the same time. I think that is fair.

          • 24 votes
          Reply#2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
          Killfile

          I think part of the intent of this satire is to be over the line. Beck's standard method of "questioning" can lead one to any preconceived conclusion that the questioner wants, regardless of evidence or facts.

          Demonstrating this with something this far over the line is the only way to really hammer that point home. If we asked "Did Glenn Beck once burn an American Flag in protest" or something then there's really no punch there. (Hell, for all I know he did; it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.)

          For the illustration to work it has to be something that the intended audience - both right and left - will find universally abhorrent. Beck actually has it easier - he's only got to find stuff that his side of the aisle objects to.

          • 21 votes
          #2.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
          ironyfree

          and the intent of my post was to be funny. Unfortunately I think I came off looking stupid or confused.

          Possibly both and maybe a third option I haven't thought of yet.

          Dang. :)

          • 3 votes
          #2.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:31 AM EDT
          Great GregExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Are you sure your not mixing Glenn Beck with the famous Ted who left Mary jo in a submerged car till she ran out of air.

          And Ted also recieved a hero's medal from Obama.

          • 17 votes
          #2.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
          Killfile

          Greg,

          Let's not speak ill of the dead.... like the girl that many have said Glenn Beck raped and murdered in 1990.

          • 19 votes
          #2.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
          MichelleUT

          Are you sure your not mixing Glenn Beck with the famous Ted who left Mary jo in a submerged car till she ran out of air.

          And Ted also recieved a hero's medal from Obama.

          GROAN.

          • 10 votes
          #2.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
          gregjarvis

          Let's not speak ill of the dead....

          why not? he's perfectly fitting to speak ill of. murderer.

          • 8 votes
          #2.6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
          AZPADDY

          Iluvmyblog

          As an independent, I'm concerned about this possible killing by Beck. All I want him to do is say where he was and what he was doing at the time. Is that too much to ask?

          I think his silence on this is very suspicious. What could he be hiding??

          • 7 votes
          #2.7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
          diedre

          azpaddy-

          why would anybody even consider this to be true??? You can find anything on the internet, but alot of it is so bogus.

            #2.8 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 12:59 AM EDT
            texan49

            to answer your question Diedre, if you go to the libary and check out the book by Sal Alinsky, Mr. Beck has talked about , it will become chystal clear why these people do these smear jobs.

            • 1 vote
            #2.9 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
            AZPADDY

            diedre

            I don't know of anyone who knows the killing by Beck to be true, but why hasn't he come out in public and deny it?

            That's all I'm saying. All he needs to do is explain where he was, and what he was doing at the time of the murder.

            Till then, he sure seems guilty.....

            • 2 votes
            #2.10 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
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            Alway

            By the sounds of it, it is satire portraying the fallacious logic of "if you can't prove it wrong, it must be correct, no matter how implausible," rather than a serious investigation of beck.

            • 6 votes
            #3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
            Killfile

            That's correct Alway, though it also portrays the idiocy of Beck's justifications of his own merit by pointing to all the "tough" questions he asks.

            • 16 votes
            #3.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT
            evilgenius

            We could have him waterboarded until he confesses.

            • 7 votes
            #3.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
            katrix

            My first thought was to wonder why on earth Killfile would think someone can prove a negative like this. But I've never listened to Beck, and after reading the comments it's apparently his style to do just this. So ... I think I will continue my ignorance and not listen to him.

            • 6 votes
            #3.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
            Willing.Sniper

            The author of this thread is unnaturally "obsessed" with Glen Beck.....so Beck must be doing a great job!

            Maybe the author of this thread should "Prove" that he is not "obsessed" with a popular TV personality! Otherwise, we can assume he most certainly is!
            Yes, he is guilty alright of obsession.

            • 3 votes
            #3.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:52 PM EDT
            AZPADDY

            evilgenius

            THAT is a Capital idea!

            • 2 votes
            #3.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
            Killfile

            Maybe the author of this thread should "Prove" that he is not "obsessed" with a popular TV personality! Otherwise, we can assume he most certainly is!
            Yes, he is guilty alright of obsession.

            I am obsessed merely with idiocy and doing my best to correct it in the world. If that makes me obsessed with Beck and discrediting him... well.... then I suppose I am guilty as charged.

            • 5 votes
            #3.6 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:35 AM EDT
            AZPADDY

            We should all be obsessed with eradicating hate and lies aimed at our president.

            • 2 votes
            #3.7 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
            DonkeyRidder

            When we find such we will help eradicate it. We should also obsess with eliminating liberal ignorance of facts on the ground in America.

            • 1 vote
            #3.8 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:33 PM EDT
            AZPADDY

            "When we find such"? "Facts on the ground"?

            You've been reading Gordon Liddy again, haven't you!

            • 1 vote
            #3.9 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
            DonkeyRidder

            No, Saul Alinski.

            • 1 vote
            #3.10 - Sun Sep 6, 2009 9:03 AM EDT
            AZPADDY

            Another newsvine oddity. The name Saul Alinski seems to only come up in right wing comments. Prior to joining Newsvine I rarely heard the name, and it seems the same few keep repeating it.

            That, no doubt, has resulted in a few book sales for this once obscure author.

            • 1 vote
            #3.11 - Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:32 PM EDT
            DonkeyRidder

            You don't need to read Alinsky's book yourself anymore. His subversion and revolution techniques are mainstream liberal tactics and strategies. You just didn't realize where they came from. I doubt you've read Mao's little read book or Mein Kampf either, but the left uses their methods in its day to day activities, too.

            • 1 vote
            #3.12 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
            AZPADDY

            Drats! You've found us out, DonkeyRidder!

            Once we had Mao's "little black book", we knew there must be more in his "little read (sic ) book", so we stole it! There, we were introduced to "Mein Kampf", which roughly translated means "My fake leg".

            Mein Kampf ( once we learned to pronounce it without laughing ) was the place we found Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and that led us to Saul Alinsky, and he then led us to "the chosen one", as you have referred to him.

            Thank God you've uncovered our secret. I can sleep now.

            Only on Newsvine.

            • 1 vote
            #3.13 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
            DonkeyRidder

            You got it! All books are little read books to liberals. A few internet postings and videos suffices for their education. Obama learned the kids a few things today.

              #3.14 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
              alanwillingham

              AZPADDY - The name Saul Alinski seems to only come up in right wing comments.

              So what are you suggesting...

              ...is it shame or ignorance that causes liberals to avoid mentioning one of their current playbooks?

              • 3 votes
              #3.15 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
              AZPADDY

              What am I suggesting??

              OK, I'll spell it out for you: Saul Alinsky is only mentioned regularly on Newsvine, ( and possibly other obscure right wing media outlets ). Mainstream media such as major dailys, T.V. networks, Radio, etc. rarely mention Alinsky's name.

              OK? Do you understand that? In other words, right wingnuts here on newsvine seem to have an obsession with "Saul Alinsky". Nobody else anywhere seems to care who he is, and whatever it is you claim he was / is.

              • 1 vote
              #3.16 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 6:58 PM EDT
              alanwillingham

              And this upsets you that so many you know or identify with have a more limited frame of reference....?

              Usually, those who identify themselves as progressives or liberals tend to argue more from a posture of emotionalism rather than analytical rationality

              It is no surprise that the majority are unable to cite the thinkers and philosophical arbiters who are seminal to their ideological underpinnings

              • 2 votes
              #3.17 - Tue Sep 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT
              AZPADDY

              Oh, I'm SO impressed with the George Will type of writing! Do you talk that way when ordering breakfast? George Will does.

              Let's just cut out the B.S., OK? Very few outside of newsvine discuss Saul Alinsky because he'a a fringe player on the national political scene, if that. Not because people outside of newsvine are ignorant, as you imply.

              The "majority" may seem less intelligent than you consider yourself, but I assure you, it's solely because the "majority" has no need to wear their knowledge of obscure political figures on their collective sleeves, emotionalism aside.

              • 3 votes
              #3.18 - Wed Sep 9, 2009 1:18 AM EDT
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              Blearc

              I love when peoples tactics are used against them.

              • 22 votes
              Reply#4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:17 AM EDT
              FL Independent

              I hate when people complain about something, then do it themselves.

              • 6 votes
              #4.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:09 PM EDT
              MatM

              I hate when people complain about something, then do it themselves.

              Then you might want to leave America. We collectively @!$%# our pants over socialism, then we started using many socialist systems, such as socialized police depts, roads, schools, fire depts, etc etc etc

              I hate people who claim to hate something while they actively take part in it and don't realize that they are being hypocritical.

              • 12 votes
              #4.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:16 PM EDT
              Chuck1968

              I hate when people complain about something, then do it themselves.

              Since when has Glenn Beck ever said his show, and rants on said show, were satirical?

              I hate when people defend the ahole when a satirical piece is use to expose him for the lying sack he is.

              • 8 votes
              #4.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:33 PM EDT
              JoulesBeef

              FL Independent
              but beck doesnt come with a satire tag.
              Drawing a charecture of someone IS NOT IMITATING THEM.

              • 3 votes
              #4.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT
              FL Independent

              @Mat

              Then you might want to leave America. We collectively @!$%# our pants over socialism, then we started using many socialist systems, such as socialized police depts, roads, schools, fire depts, etc etc etc

              Right, because its always better to just run away then to stay and fight for something worth fighting for.

              No we did not 'collectively @!$%# our pants over socialism'. We are not the people lived back then.

              I hate people who claim to hate something while they actively take part in it and don't realize that they are being hypocritical.

              I do too. Thats exactly what you are doing. You are trying to imply that I was doing it but you provided no evidence of it and really have no clue what I feel about such things, so your statement looks pretty foolish.

              • 1 vote
              #4.5 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:33 AM EDT
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              Us-1157647Deleted
              jumpshotjarrod

              "Did Glenn Beck Rape and Murder a Young Girl in 1990,"

              Not sure on that one.

              However, I am certain that he raped and murdered honor and integrity not too long ago ;)

              • 18 votes
              Reply#6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
              Rainkiss

              I'd heard that this was false... however, that he DOES kick puppies and enjoy stir-fried kittens for dinner.

              • 12 votes
              Reply#7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
              MatM

              I believe it. He needs to prove that he did not commit this horrible, sick crime. How could he rape and kill a little girl? Does he not have a heart? I think until he can prove himself innocent of these serious charges, his show should be canceled.

              • 14 votes
              Reply#8 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT
              Willing.Sniper

              Spoken like a true Iranian 3rd world country oppressor. So you would rather follow 3rd world rules of law rather than American laws of innocent until proven guilty?

              The burden of proof is on the accuser.....always in America.

              • 2 votes
              #8.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 9:56 PM EDT
              Mike-584822

              Willing.Sniper wrote "....The burden of proof is on the accuser.....always in America."

              Not really. The President had so many right wing nuts demanding proof of his birth certificate. I did not hear a peep of the fact that the accusers had to prove their case. au contraire the reverse was true.

              • 3 votes
              #8.2 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:24 AM EDT
              M. Remmers

              Spoken like a true Iranian 3rd world country oppressor. So you would rather follow 3rd world rules of law rather than American laws of innocent until proven guilty?

              The burden of proof is on the accuser.....always in America.

              Congratulations. You just got the point of this little exercise. Now pass that wisdom onto Fox News and invite them to share this attitude with you.

              • 3 votes
              #8.3 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:06 AM EDT
              MatM

              Willing Sniper,

              I'm glad you see things my way.

              • 1 vote
              #8.4 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
              Rainkiss

              The burden of proof is on the accuser.....always in America.

              In a court of law? Yes. In the court of public opinion??? Not so much, as this exercise demonstrates.

              • 3 votes
              #8.5 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
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              d. pao

              I think it is time we enlist Orly Taitz to our cause.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#9 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
              RNoel-525230

              I'd rather have her represent Beck and stay far away from our cause. We can afford lawyers who don't need to clean teeth in their spare time.

              • 5 votes
              #9.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
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              reddirthippy

              Bet he was in drunken stupor at the time. I heard it was in Baltimore, anyone else know whre it happened.

              I even heard someone say he was calling her mommie the whole time.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#10 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
              HonestIndy

              Innocent until proven guilty ... end of story.

              Now unless the accusers can come up with some evidence to support their claim they could face a lawsuit for Defamation. Even though Beck is considered a Public Figure I am sure that this type of accusation meets the requirements of defamation, cited from wiki:

              Under United States law, libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the plaintiff was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.

              My guess is Beck won't even bother with a lawsuit because the claim is so out there.

              I see this whole issue as stupid as the birthers that demand to see Obama's birth certificate. Just more kool-aid drinkers that will resort to anything (even things they proclaim they are agianst) to get their way.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#11 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
              MatM

              Somebody didn't get the joke. Kudos!

              • 10 votes
              #11.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              Honest, I'm just a commentator anyone that believes me is just nuts.

              the published information is false

              As soon as he proves it is false he might have a case. Why is he denying some people have said this?

              Line forms to the right for Defamation cases against Beck.

              • 3 votes
              #11.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
              JoulesBeef

              there must be somethign to this will all the noise about it.

              • 4 votes
              #11.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
              Reply
              reddirthippy

              Shouldn't rapist be prosecuted?

              • 2 votes
              Reply#12 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
              iroquis

              There were thousands of missing girls in 1990, some never found. Where was Beck that year? Also, records show many of the investigating officers and prosecutors have died since then, at a far higher mortality rate than the general public. Some of those cases were not brought to trial for fear of jury nullification. ah, Beck and fear..Beck and fear, inseperable.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#13 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              Beck confirms he was looking a mommie

              “My sister has said I was looking for a mom; there’s probably something to that”

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              Beck turns dark after mommie issues.

              “I just turned

              dark.”

              • 2 votes
              Reply#15 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              The twelve years after high school were a blur of ambition, booze, weighty family responsibilities, pot, expensive cars, coke, workaholism, and dickish behavior.......“I was money-hungry and star-driven,” he says. He was also pounding whiskey: “I was a very good functioning alcoholic. I didn’t start drinking till five. I’d watch the
              clock with a glass and a bottle in my hands. I lived for five.”

              could beck even remember what he did in 1990?

              • 7 votes
              Reply#16 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:41 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              Denial, Minimization, Externalization of Responsibility by Alyce LaViolette
              Boys from homes with domestic violence are four times more likely to abuse in a dating relationship, 25 times more likely to commit rape as an adult,

              • 4 votes
              Reply#17 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:47 PM EDT
              reddirthippy

              Beck's life fell to pieces shortly after 1990 he was a wash in booze and narcotics. beck claimed he was suicidal

              Life at home went to pieces, too. Bill Beck, now 80, says that when he visited his son in the early ’90s, “the house was a total mess. There was no food, no clothes ironed. He was crying, bawling like a baby when we left…. We weren’t aware until many years later that that was when he was hitting the booze and narcotics pretty heavy.”

              Glenn says he was suicidal.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#18 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              Wow you guys are as crazy as the birthers.

              And as you told the birthers Innocent until proven guilty. Where is your proof? and if you had proof wouldn't beck be in jail?

              Crazy left wing Beckers bow down and worship your master BECK

              • 2 votes
              #19 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
              Joe Bpsplk

              Hint: The story illustrates the unfair way that Beck performs character assasination on his show.

              It's a joke Dude.

              • 14 votes
              #19.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              When has he preformed a character assassination. If you consider character assassination bringing facts to light the yes that is what he does

              • 2 votes
              #19.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
              Aimee Franc

              When? Every minute of every day on his show he attempts character assassination on Obama and Acorn and every black person in Obama's administration. He did it when he called Obama a racist. Character assassination is Beck's whole shtick.

              • 15 votes
              #19.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:54 PM EDT
              Killfile

              You mean like how he said to Congressman Keith Elison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, prove to me that you're not working with our enemies

              Because that seems lot like character assassination to me.

              Video? You ask if there's video? Of course there's video.

              • 18 votes
              #19.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              Again when is pointing out facts character assassination?

              • 2 votes
              #19.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
              MatM

              Where does he "point out facts" John?

              • 8 votes
              #19.6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              WOW is that really all you got. come on you can do better than that. I guess you missed the part where he said I'm not accusing you

              • 2 votes
              #19.7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:08 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              He points out facts on every show maybe you should watch the show I think it would be helpful you

              • 2 votes
              #19.8 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
              FL Independent

              Come on Killfile, thats dishonest how you posted that and you are guilty of the same twisting that you accuse Beck of. He didnt ask him to prove it. He explained how part of him feels like he would want to ask that but he didnt ask it. If he really felt that way, then he was being honest about it. Would you have preferred he lied about it?

              Beck is plenty ridiculous with his blubbery fake crying and often fake outrage over things, but atleast deal with something real instead of twisting what he is saying. He says enough things that you can directly attack him for.

              • 2 votes
              #19.9 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              Those crazy left wing beckers at it again

              • 2 votes
              #19.10 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
              john-1205479

              THis article is about as funny as a pay toilet in a diarrhea war

              • 3 votes
              #19.11 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              geez, these people are desperate....

              • 3 votes
              #19.12 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
              Killfile

              Well let's see here.

              We can go with the continued campaign to paint Van Jones as a communist. (He's no more a communist today than George Bush is a drunk).

              There's Beck's idiotic fear-mongering about - I @!$%# you not -slavery

              Ther's Beck's creative cropping of Obama to get in some under-the-table fascist jabs..

              Let's not forget the part where he called Obama a racist.

              And who can forget that time he helped distort Ginsburg's approval of Roe v Wade into an endorsement of a eugenics policy.

              He's lied about Krugman's economic track record

              There was that time he tried to pin the shooting of some recruiters on Keith Olbermann (actually, that's almost a perfect analog for this situation)

              He also called Sotomayor a racist.

              He figured the auto bailout also made Obama a fascist.

              I mean... the list just keeps going and going and going...

              • 17 votes
              #19.13 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
              RNoel-525230

              (He's no more a communist today than George Bush is a drunk).

              Wait...so you're saying Van Jones IS a communist?

              • 3 votes
              #19.14 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              killfile, please answer post 19.14.... this is important.

              • 1 vote
              #19.15 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
              Dennis270

              THis article is about as funny as a pay toilet in a diarrhea war

              That would actually be pretty freakin' funny to me - as long as I wasn't one of the combatants

              • 2 votes
              #19.16 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:07 PM EDT
              Killfile
              (He's no more a communist today than George Bush is a drunk).

              Wait...so you're saying Van Jones IS a communist?

              We're running under the assumption that W. told the truth about giving up alcohol when he found Jesus (he was hiding under the couch the whole time). If one man can change so can another.

              • 4 votes
              #19.17 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 7:12 PM EDT
              RNoel-525230

              Whew, thanks for that reply, Killfile. I knew you couldn't have gone to the dark side.

              • 1 vote
              #19.18 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 8:34 PM EDT
              vol fan in chatt, tn

              We can go with the continued campaign to paint Van Jones as a communist. (He's no more a communist today than George Bush is a drunk).

              really, he isn't? has he renounced what he said about his earlier communist leanings?

              here' s an excerpt from Wikepdia:

              ..."the incident deepened my disaffection with the system and accelerated my political radicalization."[10] His outrage over the verdict radicalized him: Jones said he was "a rowdy nationalist"[11] before the King verdict was announced. By August of that year, he said, "I was a communist."[11] Jones's activism was also spurred on by witnessingracial inequality in New Haven: “I was seeing kids at Yale do drugs and talk about it openly, and have nothing happen to them or, if anything, get sent to rehab...And then I was seeing kids three blocks away, in the housing projects, doing the same drugs, in smaller amounts, go to prison.”[9]

              When he graduated law school, Jones gave up plans to take a job in Washington, D.C., and moved to San Francisco instead.[11] He got involved with Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxistpolitics[12] whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism.[13]

              well... of course, we will NEVER know if he renounced ANY of that because he was an appointed a CZAR by Obama ( making how much in taxpayers dollars??) who is working outside the oversight of the Congress and any questioning by such.

              what do you say to that? are you okay with this, killfile? These are his words and associations, not made up accusations, not just a "painting of him as a communist".

              • 4 votes
              #19.19 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:52 PM EDT
              Killfile

              From the same Wikipedia article:

              By the late 1990s, Jones began promoting eco-capitalism.[18] In 2005 the Ella Baker Center expanded its vision beyond the immediate concerns of policing, declaring that "If we really wanted to help our communities escape the cycle of incarceration, we had to start focusing on job, wealth and health creation."[17] In 2005, Jones and the Ella Baker Center produced the "Social Equity Track" for the United Nations' World Environment Day celebration, held that year in San Francisco.[19] It was the official beginning of what would eventually become Ella Baker Center's Green-Collar Jobs Campaign.

              Heck, that article even quotes Jones himself in his book:

              [W]e are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

              So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else.

              Yea... sounds like a right pinko commie don't he?

              • 4 votes
              #19.20 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:39 AM EDT
              Rainkiss

              Careful, KF, quote facts to a hard-core conservative and you might damage something. Once their minds are set on something, they set like concrete... If you've got one of those, here, something could crack.

              • 3 votes
              #19.21 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:47 AM EDT
              gregjarvis

              if you listen to the things van jones has said and you dont think hes a radical communist douche, you truly are blind.

                #19.22 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
                FL Independent

                To be honest, Killfile, nothing in there says he not a communist or that he denounced any of his previous positions or that its not his ultimate goal. This is just the current thing he is working on.

                You act as if no one ever has ulterior motives or long term goals, that everyones intentions are always upfront and on the surface. Thats very naive, but I think its what you want to see because hes left leaning.

                I have no idea if he is currently a communist or not. Anyone can say anything and will disavow anything, especially when confronted about things that they dont want people to know. But we couldnt find anyone with a less controversial past? Why do we even need these czars anyway? Why arent these things handling by the existing cabinets?

                And you are playing a bit of politicis with this. If it was a Bush appointee with a controversial past, like if he was a former clansman, you wouldnt be giving him the benefit of the doubt like you are giving Jones.

                • 3 votes
                #19.23 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
                Killfile

                And you are playing a bit of politicis with this. If it was a Bush appointee with a controversial past, like if he was a former clansman, you wouldnt be giving him the benefit of the doubt like you are giving Jones.

                On the contrary. Hell, I gave Bush himself the benefit of the doubt. When the man ran for office the fact that he was basically a drunk all through college was brought up. I don't know about "alcoholic" but I've heard that tossed around too.

                Anyhow, Bush said he'd given up the sauce -- said he was clean and sober. No more booze, no more drugs, no more anything. I believed the guy. Hell, I still do. Many things Bush did wrong during his term but I honestly never thought he backslid or fell off the wagon.

                Now if there's a more shady background than "substance abuse problems" for for the guy who's gonna have launch authority on our nuclear weapons I don't know what it is but what's past is/was past and I was willing to take Bush at his word on that one.

                Forget appointee -- we're talking about the President of the United States here.

                • 1 vote
                #19.24 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
                alanwillingham

                Rainkiss - quote facts to a hard-core conservative and you might damage something. Once their minds are set on something, they set like concrete...

                Is this belief written in stone in your mind ?

                • 3 votes
                #19.25 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT
                Rainkiss

                Is this belief written in stone in your mind ?

                Nope, not at all. Show me a hard-core conservative willing to change a deep-seated conviction based on facts, and I'll happily adjust my thinking. I've just never seen it happen. Conservatives in general, sure, but the far-right wing who believe that giving women the right to vote was a pretty hinky idea? Not so much.

                • 2 votes
                #19.26 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
                FL Independent

                Now if there's a more shady background than "substance abuse problems" for for the guy who's gonna have launch authority on our nuclear weapons I don't know what it is but what's past is/was past and I was willing to take Bush at his word on that one.

                But its also easier to spot someone who is drinking and lying about it then it is to spot someone who is lying about the way they think about things. If Bush was still drinking, people would see him drunk at times. Its not so obvious to see when they have ulterior motives and plans swirling in their heads.

                I dont know this guy from a hole in the ground. But the things I have seen, from his own statements and actions, regardless of his political affiliation, show he is not really the type of person we should have in a position of authority. I would hope we could do better, but maybe we cant these days.

                • 1 vote
                #19.27 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
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                Joe Bpsplk

                This is "troubling". It shows "doubt" about Glenn Beck, and by extension, extreme conservtism as well. There should be a "full investigation", and we should continue to talk about Beck as if he is guilty of this nonsense until the investigation is complete, if it ever is completed. Beck should take time off from his broadcasting until this matter can be cleared up to the satisfaction of those who don't want him to be on the air.

                We have grave concerns about Beck, and this "casts doubt" on his ability to report in an agenda-free way in the future. It has been "said by some" that he has tied to the Mormon church, and that he may have taken an oath to take direction from its leaders on political issues.

                While we can't be sure about these allegations are true, we can't be sure they are false. There are rumors that concern us. The fact that Beck does not set up a series of televise interviews to explore this sordid matter in detail while under oaths implies that he is hiding someting and may be guilty. It brings up questions about about his character, his integrity, and his ability to perform his duties in an impartial way.

                What is Glenn Beck hiding?

                • 15 votes
                Reply#20 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:34 PM EDT
                john-1205479

                I agree you really should push it further. Maybe you should hook up with the boycott and take this story about beck to his current advertisers and also the ones that so called pulled ads. Maybe you guys could get keith olberman to bring it up on his show I heard he will broadcast lies on nearly anything. MSNBC just might issue you guys an infomercial for the right price I heard they could really use the money.

                • 2 votes
                #20.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
                Joe Bpsplk

                john, do you get the point of this story yet? The reason that so many advertisers pulled their ads is because Beck made up a bunch of stories like this whopper that is fabricated about him, and then he crossed the line by going way too far with his racist attacks on the President of the United States.

                If you object to this story, you should object to Becks methods as well. That's the point.

                • 14 votes
                #20.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
                john-1205479

                What stories did beck fabricate?? I thought the reasons advertisers pulled ads was because he called obama a racist.. Did I miss something?

                • 2 votes
                #20.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
                Aimee Franc

                apparently logical reasoning

                • 13 votes
                #20.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT
                john-1205479

                Still waiting on the fabricating?

                • 2 votes
                #20.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                they have nothing, john, but this and other piece of crap stories. You'll keep waiting..might as well move on to the next depserate attempt on Newsvine.

                But I have to admit, this is even low for killfile.

                • 4 votes
                #20.6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:31 PM EDT
                reddirthippy

                Joe -- for some of the people on this seed and others I have seen on other forums

                I'm surprised they are not deaf from the enormous Varrrooom right over their head.

                • 4 votes
                #20.7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:51 PM EDT
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                john-1205479

                This story has about as much appeal to anyone with a brain as a sh!t sandwich

                liberals on the other hand gobble up both

                • 6 votes
                Reply#21 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
                reddirthippy

                You seem to be sitting at the table, want some mustard with you sandwich?

                • 9 votes
                #21.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
                john-1205479

                Nope not at the table, just observing Trolls slopping up their sh!t sandwich

                • 4 votes
                #21.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
                reddirthippy

                observe ,to watch, not to take part

                You seem to have taken at least 6 bites.

                • 7 votes
                #21.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:35 PM EDT
                texan49

                "We can go with the continued campaign to paint Van Jones as a communist. (He's no more a communist today than George Bush is a drunk)."

                Sorry Kill, Van Jones is a self admitted communist. And did you catch the video accusing whites of poisoning the drinking water of the blacks with pollutants? Obviously in his mind whites are doing this on purpose and to specifically target blacks. Really? and what was is job title again, Green Job Czar? And how does he get this job with a Federal criminal record, when the general population is denied jobs for any kind of criminal record? But he remains , one of Obumas' Czars, when many of the general population would been terminated for this language and criminal record. Is this their idea of equality?

                • 1 vote
                #21.4 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:33 AM EDT
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                HonestIndy

                As soon as he proves it is false he might have a case.

                Lets step back here... innocent until proven guilty... aka false until proven fact. Thats how the law works, if you have no solid proof that the information is factual then the information is false. Thats exactly how the law looks at things, its either TRUE or FALSE, there is no middle ground. Since the information has no evidence supporting it than it is FALSE.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#22 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
                MatM

                http://imgur.com/3qpo5.png

                actual police report.

                • 8 votes
                #22.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                bull mmatm - this is a "satire", remember? Go get back in line and keep your mouth shut.

                • 1 vote
                #22.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
                MatM

                Prove that the report is fake.

                • 10 votes
                #22.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tnDeleted
                Killfile

                Let's not call people names Vol Fan.

                • 6 votes
                #22.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
                MatM

                Actually, I can prove it. I actually understand the difference between one's intelligence (which is 100% relative) and proving a document is fake. You don't understand this. So, you can not factually call me an idiot, since I have more basic understanding than you do.

                • 7 votes
                #22.6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
                UnAmericanLiberal

                Yeah the police report is fake. It's as fake as the Kenyan birth certificates used on Beck's show to slander Obama.

                • 10 votes
                #22.7 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
                vol fan in chatt, tn

                sorry killfile...sometimes I get too frustrated.

                  #22.8 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
                  Al-1285911

                  Want proof it is fake? Just look at my comment #27.2 on the next page.

                    #22.9 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:21 AM EDT
                    MatM

                    sometimes I get too frustrated.

                    And your momma didn't teach you how to act. Grow up.

                    • 1 vote
                    #22.10 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
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                    jimbobbogue

                    He did that. Where's the outrage on O'Rielly. Where's the smug, knowing sarcasm on Hannity, where's the blasts of pompous bluster from Limbaugh. Oh, that's right , the liberal media has covered it up. Well I know the truth because a friend of my sister's friend knows some one who's uncle is a cop, who knows another cop who knows a cop in the city where this took place and he said it's true, so how come Fox hasn't reported this horroific crime when the facts are right there.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#23 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:40 PM EDT
                    Joe Bpsplk

                    It's that gosh-awful "conservative media". Only the Onion has true facts.

                    • 5 votes
                    #23.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:54 PM EDT
                    Reply
                    Aimee Franc

                    love it Killfile.

                    • 11 votes
                    Reply#24 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
                    reddirthippy

                    Other searches you might do;

                    what was Beck doing in 1990?

                    was beck suicidal in 1990?

                    Beck's drug induced haze in 1990

                    • 11 votes
                    Reply#25 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
                    LukeNY

                    I really like this post.

                    Glen Beck really needs to adress these rumors before they get out of control. Would he just say something or show me some certificate of non death/rape and then we can rest this sad sad case.

                    • 6 votes
                    Reply#26 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:50 PM EDT
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