The First Ten Lies from Palin's Memoir "Going Rogue"

5. Palin contends to have been saddled with legal bills of more than $500,000 resulting from what she calls "frivolous" ethics complaints filed against her. The lion's share of those bills resulted from the ethics complaint she filed against herself in a legal maneuver to sidestep the Troopergate charges being brought against her by the bipartisan Alaska Legislative Council.

This is my favorite. She sued herself and then started whining about how much it was costing her. If she would only think first....

I guess asking questions that a vp candidate should be able to answer is "badgering".

after reading all of them, I think McCain shot himself in the foot with selecting her.

rick

you are really grasping at straws now. "my party did not win, but they really did not want to win anyway." dude, come on. be serious.

I just like the cover picture of Palin with her head in the clouds...very appropriate....and funny, too...the best of both worlds. This is going to be good.

I just like the cover picture of Palin with her head in the clouds

I thought the photo showed the clouds flowing through Palin's head.

In one ear, out the other... nothing in between to slow them down.

In my mind I have dismissed Sarah Palin along with the likes of, oh.... Lets say... Peewee Herman. Legends in their own minds, and in it for the money. Imagine a world where Sarah actually got elected President. Then two years in she quits because her brain hurts. Another blockbuster book in the offing. The mind boggles.

Then two years in she quits

You really think she would last that long?!

I would like to ask, have you actualy read the book yourself or are you just going along with what the media feeds you.

chad, Hell would have to freeze over and pigs wearing lipstick would have to fly before I would look at that pile of lies, er, I mean Palin's book. My favorite is #7, where she complains that they didn't let her speak at McCain's concession speech. In my opinion, one of McCain's shining moments during the campaign. I was THRILLED that he didn't let her say a word! Not one!

Its not out yet, chad. All that we know is what has been released. Palin and her publishers are free to comment on any discrepancies on what she wrote versus what happened.

Keep on eating what the media feeds you tweetheart. All I am saying is how can you put down the book without reading it ?

Its not out yet, chad. All that we know is what Palin and her publishers have released.

I believe some copies have been released to reviewers who have tossed out a few crumbs about the contents.

Yeah, the Republicans at 20% approval and Obama in the high 50s. And Dems holding one and picking up a new House seat. Those are both really good for Republicans.

rick,

is that how far the repubs have fallen? Is that how infantile it's getting? We didn't win, but we really didn't want to win? It's all a big conspiracy for 2012, right?

"Keep on eating what the media feeds you tweetheart."

By media, you mean Limbaugh, right? Yes, he does feed a load of crap to his listeners.

In the meantime, I wonder if she included my favorite lie...that she's anti-abortion. That woman is a postergirl for pro-choice, since she wanted to abort trigg.

Rickace ( collapsed by the community )

"So far, having democrats in control of the White house and congress is working out rather well for the Pubs".

You are wrong......it's working out rather well for the whole nation.

Was your comment another example of the G.O.P.'s penchant for exclusivity?

Whether you agree with the political positions of Palin and other conservatives or not, and whether you oppose their ideological perspectives or not...

You are sorely shortchanging yourselves by sneering and denigrating rather that closely analyzing why they have such a massive following across the American social spectrum

Look at the staggering failures by other cable news and opinion shows compared to those on FOX. Look at the top 10 best selling books consistently for years

Look at the ratings for liberal versus conservative talk shows. They aren't even close

So you believe progressives, liberals, and the anti everything crowd are the only ones who truly see the light?

Well, making yourself capable of debating facts rather than simply publishing sneers and insults carries a lot more weight with reasonable adults

What is it that the vast majority see in Palin that you can't comprehend?

More important, ask yourself why you can't comprehend anything other than, "They're all stooopid rednecks"

...not a winning or persuasive argument

Look at the ratings for liberal versus conservative talk shows. They aren't even close

Quantity does not equal quality. There is one French Laundry restaurant and hundreds of Olive Gardens. Does that mean the Olive Garden's food is better than that at the best restaurant in the country?

What is it that the vast majority see in Palin that you can't comprehend?

The vast majority don't want her in charge of the country. Even the vast majority of Repubs don't want her running.

I said very early on that McCain had shot himself in the foot when selecting her. He clearly didn't do his research before making his decision. Despite what many right-wingers believe, this woman is not very intelligent on many levels. For starters, she should have been able to have said, without hesitation, "Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Time, as well as many newspapers published within the state and nationally". How hard could that have been? I'm sure there are many others but ducking the question made it seem that she read "nothing" and knew nothing as well. Even if she didn't read everything she could have, it would have been a better showing to think of something. That was a pathetic blunder on her part.

But speaking as someone who is "somewhat of a feminist", I saw her getting pregnant at 44 as extremely irresponsible, especially since she already had 4 children. She got pregnant BEFORE she got married if you do some research and do the math. Apparently, she hasn't learned much about birth control in the 20-something years she's been married. Her daughter was made a scape-goat because her Mom was stupid enough to think she wasn't having sex or thought that if it wasn't talked about, that it would not happen. Sure, Levi Johnston should keep his mouth shut, but Sarah was her own worst enemy in all of this. There's not a snowball's chance that she'll make the ticket for 2012.

Good for you Killfile..... another episode of just a pretty face really believing that she has what it takes to be President or even Vice-president!

I believe she has spirit, I believe she will say anything to the crowd she is facing, I believe she is not versed about most anything, I believe she is pretty, and that is about all. Strong willed, knows how to play to the cameras, knows how to play to the crowd, but knows very little.....

She looks like she would be good in the bedroom, but that is for Tod to say! Nice figure, and knows how to sell the looks obviously...

It would be scary to think that the population of America would ever risk having her as President... the lights are on, but no one is there!

Her crowd will stand behind her, being one of them is how they feel so good about her... but why would any of us want a common person to accept the responsibility and the task of so great a duty?? Again scary! People, don't ever think of electing the person you would most likely have a beer with, we did it once with Bush(recovering alcoholic and good for him), we dare not take that risk ever again.... for America's sake!

chad, Palin did herself in. All she had to do was open that mouth of hers and say something. Why don't the Republicans fess up and admit that she's as dumb as a box of rocks? I cannot stand that folksy, idiotic, stump jumper voice and actions of hers. The stupid winking and "ya betcha". Just the thought of listening to her speak turns my stomach! For some reason, the Republicans find that to be utterly charming. UGH! Come on Republicans. Admit that she's a loser and please tell us that you can, and will, do better next time around.

If Palin is the best the Pubs can offer, then that's very sad for them. Oh, how I remember that cutesy way she talked in the VP debate. I remember thinking that Biden came off as the obviously more intelligent, educated candidate. And I can say that knowing that sometimes Joe Biden puts his foot in his mouth, but he's got more brains than this woman could ever have. She was not ever VP material and since she quit her job mid-stream in Alaska, apparently she's not fit to be governor either.

Yeah, when she answered a question with something like, I'm not going to answer the question but I am going to tell you (insert talking point here) I was thinking, FAIL

You prefer thoughtless parrots spouting talking points in response to idiot questions?

Speaking of parrots, I'm certain there are parrots across the country that are caged near T.V.s and radios that squawk "ACORN!" "ACORN!" "ACORN"!, squawwwwwk...socialism,...socialism..."liberal's fault....liberal's fault..." squawwwwwkkk!"

I'm glad I don't have to listen that in addition to the conservative diatribe in the MSM.

Quantity does not equal quality. There is one French Laundry restaurant and hundreds of Olive Gardens. Does that mean the Olive Garden's food is better than that at the best restaurant in the country?

My god JonesGirl, who says the French Laundry is the best? The ratings for Conservative talk shows on radio and TV BLOW AWAY any liberal shows! Look at the polls, the GOP is going to MOP UP in 2010 and Palin will play a huge part in their victories! Smell it coming baby? We do! Also comment 1.4 should be restored!

Can we please have a "special edition" of this book, with the truth inserted as needed to point out where the BS is and how deep it is? It would probably sell better than the original!

Give Palin royalties for it. I'm sure she's mercenary enough to take the money.

I think he did so on purpose. So far having Democrats in control of the White House and Congress is working out rather well for the Pubs.

LMMFAO....ROFLMMFAO....LMMFAROMFF!!!!! St-st-stop it!!! Stop it!!! You're too funny!!!!

chad.cullum, how can you defend a book that hasn't come out yet, Or did you manage to get an advance copy and speed read it before commenting here?

smellitcoming, could it be "the ratings for Conservative talk shows on radio and TV BLOW AWAY any liberal shows" is because the big corporations refuse to give the liberal shows a spot on their networks? (not including MSNBC thank god) The only thing I'm smelling is your BS.

You are sorely shortchanging yourselves by sneering and denigrating rather that closely analyzing why they have such a massive following across the American social spectrum

20% of Americans identifying themselves as Republicans (and falling) does not qualify as "massive," unless you mean "massive failure." Remember it was during the 2006 midterms that Rove unleased his "GOP Forever and Ever" master plan to give his party permanent control of Washington. Less than three years in: how's that working out for ya?

Look at the staggering failures by other cable news and opinion shows compared to those on FOX. Look at the top 10 best selling books consistently for years

I don't know where you're getting your information, but while Fox tops the cable news rankings, they consistently get pasted by every network news broadcast except PBS. And MSNBC is closing fast on Fox's lead. CNN is tanking, that's true, but I believe that's because it tried to become "Fox Lite." There are only so many kool-aid drinking cult followers to go around.

Look at the ratings for liberal versus conservative talk shows. They aren't even close

Olbermann is the only liberal talk show that has been on for much over a year (Maddow is, I believe, just beginning her second year). Hannity and O'Reilly have been on Fox for 13 years; their radio audiences help feed their ratings (and granted, Air America, where Maddow has been for a few years, has never had anywhere near the ratings that the conservatives have had). Given all that, Olbermann and Maddow routinely beat Fox in several key demographics, and their overall numbers are steadily closing.

What is it that the vast majority see in Palin that you can't comprehend?

Judging by the polls and the response to her book, etc, the vast majority thinks Palin is a grasping, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing, whining, lying idiot.

More important, ask yourself why you can't comprehend anything other than, "They're all stooopid rednecks"...not a winning or persuasive argument

Considering no one made that argument in here (at least as far down as I've read), you're setting up a straw man and screaming at it. And the gratuitous dig at your opponents' intelligence is a dead giveaway of where you're coming from.

But please, enjoy your teabagging rallies and your sense of victimization. The rest of us will continue cleaning up the tremendous mess your last cult leaders left us.

So let me get this straight. This is a review of a book that the reviewer has not read, his only sources are from McCain staffers who were CAUGHT lying about Palin, who has a definite liberal bias, and you guys are drinking the kool-aid.

Brilliant.

smellitcoming 1.28

Good descriptive handle. It illustrates how hallucination can manifest in all the senses, visual, auditory, and sensory.

The only factual evidence of smell ( odor ) is the long lasting odor from the last administration. The damage was so severe it will be a few election cycles before the odor is only a memory. The stain, I'm afraid, is permanent.

Till then, conservatives will be on the outside looking in, as they have been since Nov. 8th., 2008. Put a coat on....it's getting cold outside.

The ratings for Conservative talk shows on radio and TV BLOW AWAY any liberal shows!

smellitcoming - I can't explain tv and radio ratings and I will not attempt to. I will say, as a proud Liberal, that I do not watch TV talk shows or listen to talk radio.

In my experience, among the people I know, those who watch the most tv talk shows are the least informed about what is happening in the world. Informed people know tv and radio are not outlets for facts.

In my experience, among the people I know, those who watch the most tv talk shows are the least informed about what is happening in the world. Informed people know tv and radio are not outlets for facts.

Kate, you are obviously a extremely smart person, you should show it by NOT posting extremely dubious and not well thought out comments. I know this comes from YOUR experience and the people YOU know. Speaks for itself, and you are wrong from my experience that well informed PEOPLE take in consideration ALL sources of information and weed out the inaccurate, plain lies, not to point, and just BS. Wise up Kate, when trying to made a good rational decision get the most out of the information pool. There is a science to ratings, HELLO!

Wise up Kate, when trying to made a good rational decision get the most out of the information pool. There is a science to ratings, HELLO!

So one must watch/listen to known sources of bullsh*t in order to weed it out so one is certain to be getting all points of view?! Guess I should pick up the supermarket tabloids, too.

Of course there is a science to ratings. American Idol, for example, has been a consistent ratings leader in recent years. Most of the folks I admire and associate with don't give two hoots about it. Your point?

such a massive following across the American social spectrum

'Massive' is a laughable term in this context. Fox has high ratings in part because there are dedicated spoon-fed rightwingers who will watch no other channel... and because there are a large number of free-thinkers who watch Fox programming in order to fact-check its lies and distortions.

Look at the staggering failures by other cable news and opinion shows compared to those on FOX.

'Staggering failures'? That's a stretch. Sure, Fox has the ratings, but I've already covered the primary reasons.

Look at the top 10 best selling books consistently for years

So, rightwing talkers churn out books consistantly... and rightwing bulk buyers scoop them up to use as 'gifts' for subscribers (i.e., Newsmax.com)... and those same books are quick to end up in the bargain bins at your local 99-cent store. Real impressive.

Look at the ratings for liberal versus conservative talk shows. They aren't even close

Again... asked and answered. See above.

What is it that the vast majority see in Palin that you can't comprehend?

So... you're suggesting that there's some kind of 'vast majority' who support former Gov. Palin to the point that they would vote for her? Really? That 'vast majority' sure didn't rise to the challenge last November, huh?

Of course, Nixon believed in the 'Silent Majority'... so I guess rightwingers can have their dreams, too.

One of the sad points of our society is that we have what is called a "herd" mentality, and the so called socially religious conservatives make up the vast herd that contributes to the ratings that come from over sensualized stories, or books which emanate from the wings.

People want to be entertained, and Fox News, and many of the programs that one finds on Fox cable programs do just that... Married with Children, helped to bring Fox to the limelight by depicting in an overstated way, the dysfunctional, yet nuclear family, fret with problems ever striving to overcome middle class life. The entertainment value is still more than apparent in the constant re-runs of the popular show.

In the same venue as Married with Children is many of the programs on Fox News, and with a delicate twist, the Hosts also twist the stories to suit their needs in bringing sensationalism, half truths, and inquisitions upon those not supporting their political agenda's. Fox has found a loyal following of those who will always question any Democratic ideal, anyone who professes to be pro-choice, anyone who questions the right of an individual to have an automatic weapon, anyone who might have more progressive ideas on religion, anyone who might suggest a change to the fiefdoms established through the decades of ownership, management and alleged intellectual superiority of those with a lighter skin color, yet manifesting those same views from an ill-advised, somewhat illiterate, or biased group that minimizes or prevents participation by anyone, except for those with the same ideology.

The same could be said of the books published by those who seek to feed those yearning for confirmation of their own biased thoughts, with innuendo's and alleged conspiracies against this great nation we call America.

The passion exhibited in the so called newscasts, the reaction by those here on the Vine, the reaction by those who have nothing to do but march, holding their varied signs condemning thoughts other than theirs, and their willingness as a herd to march without knowledge or subject background is more and more visible. This is the same crowd that does not wish to be educated about a subject, the old don't confuse me with the facts group! They have their point of view and no amount of discussion will change their minds, their attitudes, or the illogical points they follow. They have been told, and they believe, that anything other than their ideas are wrong, and only theirs is the way to the freedoms they hold so dear.... Ignorance is something that will always be hard to conquer when those with ears refuse to listen or seek other sources other than the loyal following of Fox News.

Palin panders to those who strive to be like her, those who want to hear the falsehoods from her mouth, those who would rather an ordinary person just like themselves would run this country in the way they seem fit. She touches on the subjects she knows will bring the crowd she is engaging, to the passions they represent. She is smart, wily, and sorely uneducated both in basic subjects such as economics and in world affairs, yet in that garb, she addresses those who also just don't get it and just don't want our Nation to continue down a path none of them understands or gives a hoot about other than their own personal needs. Palin is a master at addressing those crowds, at stating falsehoods, half truths or twisting facts to suit her needs.... In that she is dangerous and should never be trivialized or dismissed! We have elected a "none too educated leader" to the presidency before by the popularity of the person pandering to the masses, beware of this person and the political machine that may be behind her! We have for all too long been offered the world, lower taxes, etc, but in reality all the middle class has gotten has been the "shaft".

SnotRag Dave - Fox's "Massive' following" is a laughable term in this context.

Several rating services confirm FOX to be the most watched in every meaningful time slot and demographic

Sure, Fox has the ratings, but I've already covered the primary reasons.

So they have the ratings and the viewers, which is the source of advertising revenue, and you said what?

Fox has high ratings in part because there are dedicated spoon-fed rightwingers who will watch no other channel...

Even if your laughable contention were true, is it also your contention that advertisers are ignorant and should actually avoid this huge audience?

You also contend that a 'large number' of those watching FOX aren't really watching, merely observing and alerting their handlers if they think they have discovered a slip or misstatement that can be exploited?

because there are a large number of free-thinkers who watch Fox programming in order to fact-check its lies and distortions.

So those watchers aren't really watching, and those watchers who aren't really watching are paying even closer attention that those who actually are watching?

That's your argument? LOL !

So... you're suggesting that there's some kind of 'vast majority' who support former Gov. Palin to the point that they would vote for her?

Who draws the crowds? Who has around the clock television coverage even though she is a supposed to be an unimportant and unelectable backwoods hick?

Who is the subject of hundreds of NewsVine articles, most of which insist she is a nobody?

Really? That 'vast majority' sure didn't rise to the challenge last November, huh?

The presidential candidate selected by the Republicans was and is a liberal.

Conservatives by the millions refused to vote for him,knowing full well an even more liberal Obama would be elected

Unfortunately, it is necessary for the elite Republican leadership to wander in the wilderness for their stupidity and betrayal of the values and concerns of the majority of American citizens

It was in fact, Palin's addition to the ticket and the rationalization by many that maybe McCain would die and she succeed to the presidency, that kept his loss from being a monumental historical embarassment

If you don't like fox don't watch it. Stick with the Obama news networks that you normaly watch. I think the main-stream media sucks so I just don't watch it.What more is there to say.

The likelihood is that one has friends that most likely agree with them or their philosophy.... and it is a good point to what the Republicans have and it is a sorry one too! I admire any organization which so to speak, sticks to their guns and follows a prescribed course, and in many of those organizations which the right wing cries about, is the educators which is lambasted most of the time for being too liberal. But without lesson plans and prescribed coursework, the learning process for so many would be in vain.

The adoration that Sarah Palin has has shown itself in many ways, the males who think she is a doll and a babe and go to see what she has to say, especially since she does not act like the liberal feminists of the Democratic Party. The wives and mothers who somehow see themselves, not necessarily educated, but strong willed and willing to speak up about matters whether religious or social and from their narrow point of view represents their feelings. One would remember that this Nation is over 300 million in population and the continuing support for the ultra conservative Republicans still amount to approximately 30 percent, that equates out to be about 90 million people of which Fox gets close to 30 to 35 million views daily.... not a small token of mouths to feed, clothe, or shelter...

There are some like Chad.cullum above who have stated that he does not watch main-stream media as it sucks by his thoughts, and in his own words he has told us his position, he is one of those who neither wants to be educated, nor in fact wants to hear another side to anything except what he wishes to hear. These are the ones who ad hear to passions, and views from only their perspective. We had some of the old military people at our church, they did not like the openness of our church accepting gays and women in the Ministry, so they left, that issue continues to bother a large number of individuals who cannot accept what they refuse to think about or learn.

Palin is like a magnet, she attracts those like herself, some libertarians, some right wing conservatives who believe that the government should be minimal at best, not looking into their business(whether it is right or wrong) taking their money for taxes(no matter how many programs they benefit from in the programs they are in) and she attracts those with strong beliefs about the Christian nature of our government and although they will stand for the separation of Church and State, constantly want God represented in govt actions. The sorry part is not for the truth that is represented in many of the icons being presented, or the nature of being honest, or not sinning against their fellow man or woman, but only to represent their own belief's as taken out of context of a bible used for their personal agenda's.

Sarah panders to all with beefs against our government, that is why she is an excellent politician! She has no problem in taking credit for something not hers, no problem in stating a falsehood, for just in the statement, she gains those who believe and carry even a stronger attitude in hearing it from her.... After all for the "birthers" she just knows Obama is not a naturalized or real citizen and the cover-up by the powers, the Democratic Party and the main-steam media is apparent, what a bunch of crap... followed up by stories well put together to bring an unsuspecting naive individual down a path to belief....

Hey, my son is law is going to one of her book signings, just to get the stupid signiture on her book to give as a joke to someone, as he feels it will be the ultimate joke. The sad part is how she is unwilling to accept responsibility for her own acitons, places blame on anyone and everyone, twists the truth to suit her needs, takes credit for items in which she had miminal involvement, and the list goes on......

But she is a force, and she has a following, which will most likely stay with her as her ship goes down... some say she is like Ronald Reagan, but he was educated, and the state of California as a governor is far greater a task than that of Alaska, for it California was a separate nation at the time, it would have been the seventy largest in economic activity.... Both are intelligent, but she is not educated, and hopefully will continue to self destruct in her blatant mixing of the facts, and thankfully those organizations who will fact check and call her out on her slips and mi's-statements!

Also, please check your stats, the vast majority of the American People do not want, nor trust her to be president, and that is why as a Vice Presidential candidate, most were willing to possibly vote for McCain, but not take the chance because of his age, that she was a last breath away from the Presidency.... those who believe she added more to the ticket then what she took away are delusional at best!

******To correct the item on California, sorry it should have been seventh, not seventy.... slip of the keyboard and not gotten to in time to change or correct it... The sentiment expresses or shows a vast difference between the two people..... Reagan understood economics, she has no clue, and even if Reaganomics's was flawed in exercise, the design was good, but depended upon those Christian CEOs to indeed share the wealth, and we know by history and fact, they did not....

Steve

There isn't adoration for Sarah Palin.

She is the alternative for the politicians in the Congress. I don't have any doubt that Huckabee is a good man but is not the candidate that I would vote.

a) Sara Palin has a boy with the Down Syndrome. I have many friends that their kids or grandkids suffer from the same. She understands.

b) Sara Palin has a daughter that rather to have the baby than to go in the dark and have an abortion for the sake of the "reputation".

I have many friends that are in her shoes. Therefore she knows how hard is to go through that situation. No matter what it's said, we mothers and grandmothers wish that our families have a good marriage, a good home for the kids and not raising those babies like single mothers. Hence, there is a point more in favor for Mrs. Palin.

About the book. Sarah is getting about $1,000,000.00. Mrs. Clinton got $8,000,000.00 for hers. Sarah wrote about her daughter, Mrs. Clinton wrote about Ms. Monica.

c) Senator McCain enrolled Mrs. Palin for his adventure, Mrs. Palin did not request the job that resulted that many of us decided that she represents the middle class of hardworking people and immigrants.

d) The interview with Charlie = If Mrs. Palin answered the trappy question of the Bush Doctrine for sure that I really would call a disaster.

e) Katie Couric = The editing was beneficial for the ideology of CBS. How can I forget the envy that Sarah Palin brought to Andrea Mitchell and Katie? KC was not a friendly or fair interviewer and from there Sarah Palin got our attention because of the low quality questions..

to have the baby than to go in the dark and have an abortion for the sake of the "reputation".

You think that's why girls and women have abortions? For the sake of their "reputation"? What "reputation"? "Reputation" hardly has anything to do with abortion in this day and age.

Determined: Please do not use her son with Downs Syndrome as a model.... the cruxifer at my coming wedding is a child born with Downs Syndrome, her mother graduated with me in high school, and her devotion to her child is my model... a Downs syndrome child needs all the attention a mother can give, the needs the child has, the support the mother needs to give is a task that few men would ever want in their lives...

My friend gave up her successful occupation to take care of her child, has gone to and been part of the active Down Syndrom campaign for her son... She has doen everything possible to give him a normal life, and even taken him to Germany for treatments not available here in the US. She held him or his father held him, not a sibling, not a nanny.

Because of her devotion both time and spirit, her son has a job, lives on his own with some minimal help, and is going to give one of the speeches at our wedding... He is an exception, but so was his mother, and she continues to be.... so please do not use Sarah as a model, she is sorely missing many aspects in my mind.

You are one of those who does admire her, just be honest... and in that admiration you join the group who adores her, the character she is, the principles she stands for, or at least presumably stands for.....

As to being the Christian mother who stood up for her daughter so that the baby could be born, and not suffer the consequences of the reputation of herself.... what a joke... as the previous writer has said, or asked, is that why you think so many have abortions??? Again, ill-informed individuals....

My goodness, what about the Christian principles about not having sex before marriage, or at least being smart enough to take precautions... just having sex to have sex, that good feeling.... and the child being born suffering a lifetime of agony, because of a stupid mistake.... take the morning after pill, take the pill, at least until one is able to care, to assume the responsibility of taking care of another human being.... children are not just an act of nature, we humans are supposed to be above that..... the act of making love, the result that can come from the act, there is a reason for the marriage vows.... all too many have children because, not because they want them, and are ready to care and take responsibility for them...

Her interviews, guess one will see what they want to see, I have stated that in many of my threads on the Vine, it is a matter of perspective, mine is different from yours, and thank God there are more of me....

Palin is someone pandering to wealth, the spotlight on her, the mis-informed part of the crowd that denies to others what they already have, see the world with rose colored glasses, and want to put this nation back in ages rather than develop our country to be the leader, the responsible nation we once were.

The idea that one network, other than cable, over another is trying to show bias, or address a single point of view is ludicrous at best.... I used to watch Fox, because I have always wanted a well rounded view.... but lately it is tainted, so biased, so willing to sell themselves, to pander, to twist, to spin, that with the conscious I have, I cannot bring myself to watch.... I do continue to watch main-stream, and other cable channels as my clients need a well rounded adviser to them.... I have quite a few clients who are in fact staunch Republicans, and many have been dismayed by the past some eight years of the previous administration.

you mention editing but do nothing about a comment on how well Fox edits comments, takes comments out of context, uses views from another source or suggests without facts instances of duplicity they feel the need to display....

Hogwash.... I am a father, my children are in fact old enough to have had children, they have not, for they understand the huge responsibility that goes with a child, and yes one of mine is a daughter with great morals and a great job.... recently married I might add, but a University grad who dated her husband for some 5 years before marriage. I walked my children in the night, fed them, bathed them, changed them, took them to the day care when older, took them to school, never missed an event, and have been there for them, the only thing I could not do was give birth to them, and feed them from my breasts... other than that, my love for them, my joy is limitless.

Steve,

That is by far the best, respectful, and thoughtful post that reflects what many of us really think about Palin in our hearts.

We just don't see the perfect Madonna that she SAYS she is. We do not see her actions backing up her words....and when her truth is debunked and her followers defend her ---well, that brings us back to the divide on Palin.

Palin is not and has never been one of us. I say this as a woman raised on a farm who can hunt and fish, was raised in a church, dropped out of school, got a GED, married and had 2 children (raised and took care of them personally), never took any welfare or public assistance of any kind, never made over $25,000 a year, and have read and educated myself all of my adult life.

While Palin may or may not be qualified to be a governor, her lack of knowledge on the national stage, let alone the world stage concerns all of us. I have seen her inflame and divide and speak alot of nonsense when the situation is serious and deserves clear, thought out answers.

McCowgirl: thank you.....

Thanks for your opinion.

I stand for what I posted.

I explained in my poor English why this former Governor got more votes than the nominee of the GOP/Republicans.

And I think that it requires more experience than just managing to produce offspring and self promote their parental skills to be the POTUS or VP.

Things like a balanced temper, ability to think and act under pressure, a broad knowledge of current issues on the national and international stage as well as a good understanding of the history behind the issues and the ability to speak clearly and rationally about those issues.

Things like the ability to think beyond one's personal beliefs and ideology and encompass a worldview, and possess an understanding that the POTUS represents the United States of America, not the United States of World Interference and Governmental Domination.

Promotes things like the fact that all American citizens are TRUE Americans - no matter where they live, or the color or their skin, or their religion (or lack thereof) and seeks to unite us, make us all feel welcome in our own country - not send us back to the dark days of minorities and women being treated as second class citizens.

Great post McCowgirl...... Yes, all of those things would be nice in any candidate rather than the single minded, simple minded and political machine controlled individuals we seem to get from the Right....

It is sad to see, those who defend the actions of our Prior President, continue to promote as his greatest single achievement as keeping another attack from our soil, with the seemingly innocent assumption that terrorism never occurred before 9/11. And, in the time line of events, if only he had paid attention to those advisers of Clinton who raised the alert, if only he had not used the mantra of ABC, anything but Clinton and not felt he had to redo all from the start, if only!

We now have an articulate, well educated, intelligent man, and yes to the chagrin of all too many still, in what should be an age of enlightenment, a man of color. But as you said, perhaps one day that in itself will not matter, as we all know it should not matter. His task, perhaps the most formidable of any sitting president other than Lincoln and possibly Roosevelt, is one of a magnitude that will test his mettle and ability to the highest degree, all any of us as citizens of this great country can or should do is wish him all the success he can muster.

Yes, we are the Americans, the United States of America, and we should act like it, for not just our own benefit, but for all both within and without and in the world in which we live!

Excellent posts determined

The bitterness and never ending haughty dismissal of Palin as a nothing, a nobody, a backwoods hick, an opportunist and a phony are all telling

Who wastes that much time on an unelectable blip on the screen?

The very fact that they are in constant angst and turmoil over Palin tells the real story

Middle America and its values are not supposed to matter, and certainly not to triumph !

The elite masters of the Liberal Plantation hear the drums of approaching liberation, and fear the emancipation of their charges

Imagine if now they are forced to respect the rights and freedoms of all people and not just their segregated special classes of voting livestock?

To: Alanwillingham: I felt after reading your post, that I just had to reply.....

You said:

Excellent posts determined

I will agree she did a very fine job of expressing those opinions that the majority on this thread and the country dis-agree with, but she did it without any spin, which is more than I could say of the next few items of yours.

The bitterness and never ending haughty dismissal of Palin as a nothing, a nobody, a backwoods hick, an opportunist and a phony are all telling

When one is in shock about the figure head of what is considered the opposition party out of power, the as you call it, never ending (I am sure we would like it to end, but like a bad apple, one can ruin the barrel, and many of us hold the fiscal responsibilities of the party you profess to support as a good thing) And, I do not feel that most of us dismiss in a haughty way, the image that Sarah projects among her adoring crowd. She is by no means a nobody, and not a backwoods hick, un-educated you betcha as she would say, an opportunist, no doubt, but that is what has made America what it is, for without the opportunist, the entrepenuers, we would never have grown into the Industrial Complex we have become. A phoney, not sure for she is real.... but he spin out of her mouth, the half - truths, the made up statements which have been fact-checked to be false, those bother me and I imagine others too... If she was portraying a point of view, which most of us could stand behind, most of us would be behind her. And like a good Republican, just saying it is true, does not make it true... look at the latest poll, her figures are dismal for her chances to be President, but even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then, and that is scary!

Who wastes that much time on an unelectable blip on the screen?

As I said, she has that look, that brings in the masses, the herd that will follow the lemming leader right off the cliff, and that is scary. So, as they say, being fore warned is being fore armed... and only the ignorant do not take notice of what she is saying and doing around the country. Too much is at stake!

The very fact that they are in constant angst and turmoil over Palin tells the real story

Ever vigilant, that is my motto, much like the solider I used to be.... All too often the Democrats have taken too many things for granted and all of us have suffered the consequences.

Middle America and its values are not supposed to matter, and certainly not to triumph !

This is a great one, as if to say she represents Middle America, the working stiffs, get a life! The Republicans are the land owners, the CEOs, the Harvard, Yale and upper crust of our society.... The Democrats have been and continue to be the blue collar workers, Middle America to the nth degree, and Sarah by no means is about the Middle Class, she is a libertarian, leaning more to the Republican Right, and the fear of her being the President more than show in the public poll with so many stating they would definitely not vote for her....

The elite masters of the Liberal Plantation hear the drums of approaching liberation, and fear the emancipation of their charges

My God man, get a life, masters of what, liberal plantations, what a joke, the poor slobs trying to raise a family, make a decent wage, that is the Party in opposition, and perhaps you are getting a bit passionate with the descriptive adjective's which in actuality belong to the Republicans and their domination over the past three decades??

Imagine if now they are forced to respect the rights and freedoms of all people and not just their segregated special classes of voting livestock?

Ok, I see an agenda here, a bias, someone with passion certainly, but someone with a cross to bear against a possible grievance of sometime... or you have just had some course which stirred your emotions... Once again get a life, the Democrats as unorganized at times as they are, are in fact so welcoming of any and all and that is the reason for the dis-organization.... trying to be all to everyone does not work, that is why the Republican party is one like a fraternity of individuals who agree to think alike, and act alike for the benefit of the Party. The shame is the current percent who have taken the Grand old Party to the brink of the wings, causing so many to leave and become independents....

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if she ever runs this country, I'm moving to Mexico.

I'll be moving to Canada or France, maybe Denmark, if she were to ever become President or Vice President.

Oh, agreeeeeed Lola!

One heartbeat away is just a little too close for comfort...

It will be Germany for Me since I'm 75% German and I have relatives that will put me right to work in their vineyards.

theRightisWrong - And we'll be covered with health care no matter what our situation is too.

Just think never having to worry that we'd have to claiming bankruptcy, selling our home, or face foreclosure because of medical bills.

Our country is going to crap quickly, other industrial countries seem to know the value of a health and cared for society. America certainly isn't the wonderful and amazing country it used to be.

Oh, Golly-Geee, Lola! Wouldn't that be a dream! :D

This country is going to crap because for some reason there's this strange group of people who are all in the same crappy situation as everyone else and yet they still oppose regulation on the very corporate giants who instigated this whole mess.

I completely agree, America is not run by "we the people" anymore, it's run by "we the richest" unfortunately. It's very sad. :>(

Or soon the country may be by "We the big bloated federal government",if Obama gets his way. I like "We the People" a lot better

theRightisWrong-1420179

Lola-984242

Schroedingers Cat

Your all welcome to come to Canada. Share our water, health care, oil and our cold winters. Brrrrrr ...not surprisingly hot rum toddy sales tend to go up during the cold weather. Beer sales are strong year round.

Crap - I'm stuck - I'm American Indian - I suppose Nova Scotia is a thought, but then that's part of Canada - Gee I guess I'll move in with Buttzie.

Hey Buttzie - I like Amber Boch and BBQ's - The minute our country decides to elect any Sarah Palin type - I'll be giving you a call. I know I'm a party crasher, but hey it's all good company. Originally from Maine - I don't mind some cold weather as long as there is a nice big fire-place and hot rum toddy's sound pretty good too.

Hey everyone - party at Buttzie's

good times, eh?

buttzie Cool I can handle the Great Whit North!..it's not much worse than Ohio!

Hey everyone - party at Buttzie's

I'll be there Buttzie, thanks. I live in Texas so I'll bring the bbq brisket. I've got family in Canada and I love to visit, although it does tend to get a little nipply. BTW, it's a beautiful country too.

I'm a Native American - I'd rather vote Sarah and her party of fools off than leave.

Kate

Me too - but the way the Republicans see it - we are the minority and they are the majority. They point to VA for their guiding light and say see 2010 and 2012 will be Republican (coughing here).

So if this country becomes that stupid - I'de rather leave "stupid" then live with it.

I completely agree, America is not run by "we the people" anymore, it's run by "we the richest" unfortunately. It's very sad. :>(

Lola, I'm not sure there was a time when the richest 1% of the country didn't pretty much run things. To me it seems as if we were a plutocracy from the beginning.

it's not much worse than Ohio!

I'd be careful about statements like that. Spend a January in Montreal before you make up your mind.

Thanks Buttzie!!! Im packing now........ :D

Oh, and in addition to all the lovely things you mentioned in The Great Attic Canada (no offense, of course, I think its a lovely compliment), I hear you guys also have an extraordinarily safe country as well!

Maybe some of you can go and live where Alec Baldwin went when Bush became president.

Your all welcome at my house for a party. BYOB...Need time to tidy up.

FrJackHackett..I've camped out in Canada and Alaska in the Winter and held up nicely! But that was many moons ago when there was not so much snow on the proverbial mountain! Now it would be more difficult but to get away from The Paliban I would live in Antarctica!!!

Leafydebater

God help us if she becomes president.

When it comes to fiscal matters, if she owns a credit card she's a helluva lot smarter than our current president. God help us if he continues on his spending spree and spooks China and Japan into dumping their Treasuries.

theRightisWrong-1420179

This country is going to crap because for some reason there's this strange group of people who are all in the same crappy situation as everyone else and yet they still oppose regulation on the very corporate giants who instigated this whole mess.

The "regulation" talking point. The question you should be asking is who's regulating the regulators. In other words, enacting laws is futile if there's no enforcement or when the regulators turn a blind eye for a little do-re-mi in return. This article gives a good insight into the details of how Goldman is getting away with (corporate) murder.

buttzie

I'll come visit ya in Canada! Moosehead brewery first stop, eh? Then off to your place with a few cases for the party (your party, not the Republican party) and to enjoy a Texan BBQ. Lola, sadly I'm a lowly Yankee and can only dream of real BBQ like yall have south of the Mason-Dixon Line so this will be a real treat for me!

Oh and buttzie. If I can get my Mossberg through customs I'll teach you hosers how to have some real fun on a driving range.

^_^

LOL Rickace....

Should be a hell of a party.

Wow with some of the crowd above promising to move out of the country, you are motivating me to help her!

Killfile, she still has greater executive experience than Obama. Go figure.

LEE..get a grip! Were you trying to be funny or what? If humor was your intent..FAIL!!! if Truth was your intent...Seek Therapy!!!

Then, Scat, detail his executive experience prior to election. Impossible task, but I'm sure you will try.

Then, Scat, detail his executive experience prior to election.

It's been a year since the election; why not give it up already?

Kate...some people like Lee just take great umbrage at losing when they have in fact dealt themselves the losing hand by backing a three legged horse. And no matter how much reality you place in front of them they will always pick fiction because reality does not fit into want they want to see.

He should be bitter - look how she has belittled his campaign. No loyalty on her part when he is responsible for putting her in the national spotlight.

Maybe thats why she is so bitter towards him, he put her in the spotlight and now the world knows her secret....she be a dig bat

I know and you know she is but many people out there really relate to her "salt of the earth" stuff. Her life is a soap opera and many people thrive on high drama - gives them an adrenalin rush. Poor Levi Johnson - thinks he is enlightening the public about her, but is doing nothing but broadening her base with people that can relate to problems with a son in law. After the Oprah interview, they now think she is taking the high road. Levi would do well to keep his mouth shut and let her reveal her true self. You would think we would have more profound matters to discuss with the US and world situation the way it is. Oh well, I guess a little diversion into trivia is good for the mind.

Unfortunately, Levi is only 19 or 20 years old. As a high school teacher, I can tell you that he is thinking with a 19 or 20 year old mind and is nowhere near as politically "sophisticated" (sic) as Ms. Palin. I actually feel bad for him. I hope his parents are counseling him on how to deal with scorpions.

I actually feel bad for him. I hope his parents are counseling him on how to deal with scorpions.

Isn't his Mom in jail for drug dealing? I get the feeling there's not much counseling (or helpful counseling) coming from them.

Yeah, Kate. I'd forgotten. The whole "Playgirl" thing also leads one to believe that he hasn't had the most solid homelife.

Sad. He was probably screwing girls left and right, just to self-medicate off the endorphin high.

fromthesouth - He should be bitter... No loyalty on her part when he is responsible for putting her in the national spotlight.

Clearly the comment of someone who is convinced a woman needs a man to make it in this world

Ha ha ha ha ha

Al 616

Has anyone gotten a straight answer out of Mr. McCain about why he selected Sarah Palin? There's been a lot of speculation over it.

I have no hard evidence, but I like my speculation (see #7.3 below). So simple and elegant ... who knows, maybe Karl Rove dreamed it up.

^_^

I believe some poor soull felt pity for McCain and didn't want to see him lose in a landslide

Whoa, rickace. I usually don't see eye-to-eye with you, but that's a damn good theory!

Voted up!

I don't think I have ever been more offended in my life than when the McCain Campaign boosted this bimbo onto a podium and told America to take her seriously.

Amen.

I am still appalled that the GOP put this woman on the national stage as a candidate for VP.

I thought 8 years of W's international social inadequacies were bad enough, and the bar couldn't get lower --- I was wrong. I shudder to think the damage Mrs. Palin would have done if she had been allowed to travel outside of this country in the role of VP.

IMO Sarah needs to read books, not write them.

Can you imagine this woman in the company of distinguished female heads of state? What sort of conversation could she possibly have with Margaret Thatcher or Angela Merkel. Golda Meir, Benazir Bhotto, and Indira Ghandi must have turned over in their graves when she was nominated.

MoCowgirl-1193719

I am still appalled that the GOP put this woman on the national stage as a candidate for VP.

A few weeks before Election Day I figured the RNC did it to tank the election with plausible deniability. Some of us Americans understood the implications of the stock market's plunge in 2008, that the economy was about to begin a long, tedious, and painful slide into the abyss. Think 1930s. Elephants have good memories, and they don't forget the beating President Hoover took for being in the right place at the wrong time. What could be better than to have the Democrats in control of the White House and Congress during a wholesale economic collapse and depression? Not all that much to do besides kick back and watch the action.

And her "reading list" looks like a High School reading assignment list for book reports. How Sad!!

sms29s66

Can you imagine this woman in the company of distinguished female heads of state?

That sums up how I feel about Hillary Clinton. Except Sarah's been sidelined and Hillary is actually out there doing her thing. She didn't waste any time in embarrassing herself and the U.S. in the process before the foreign minister of Russia.

You must be joking. No matter what you think of Hillary's politics, you must concede that she is a credible spokesman for this country.

rick

while i understand that hillary does not speak russian, she is still a very educated and intelligent woman. the same can not be said for palin.

rickace,

I actually can see some sense in your comment due to the fact that the GOP probably did not want control of the mess that they had largely helped create, nor a clue on how to fix it.

They continue to say NO to anything that even might be a step in the right direction and offer no viable alternatives.

I think that they knew that this is going do be a long, slow, painful process to get the economy stable, and a lot of people are going to be pissed no matter who is in office.

The GOP themselves would have had to put policies into effect that would have made their base unhappy. Now, they can sit on the sidelines and naysay, point fingers, and stir crap, and turn up the rhetoric to hopefully gain power after necessary changes have been implemented that they were "against".

Of course, then again the GOP could have chosen to continue to make policy benefitting only the elite and tanked the whole country....we would have all been pissed, but what would it have mattered?

MoCowgirl:

I too can derive some sense in Rick's post. It would be pretty typical for the Repubs to sit back and let Dem's take all the sh!t for pushing policies that the GOP would most likely support if it didn't go against the Platform handbook Rove had written.

But then aren't we sort of facing a problem where we have 1 of the 2 viable political parties keeping up appearances by supporting a platform that the majority of America is actually against? What good does it do to be a party of opposites when only a small minority agrees with you??

Thanks for commenting everyone, btw!!!

What good does it do to be a party of opposites when only a small minority agrees with you??

IMO it doesn't. But the rhetoric can change - a few well-placed words here and there can change some people's perception.

If I only had a dollar for everytime that someone told me "Well, yes, THAT is what I said, but THIS is what I meant" in order to deflect the conversation and deny all accountability for their words and actions.

If I only had a dollar for everytime that someone told me "Well, yes, THAT is what I said, but THIS is what I meant" in order to deflect the conversation and deny all accountability for their words and actions.

OMG I would be a Quadrillionaire!:D

But the rhetoric can change - a few well-placed words here and there can change some people's perception.

Gosh, I sure hope so. The direction the right has taken us in for a decade has most obviously not been the way to go. Its the very people that are suffering from the policies of the Republican ideology that are up in arms to defend it! I am sincerely at a loss for the logic table on this one.

But the rhetoric can change

I meant it will only be the rhetoric that will change to appeal to a larger voter base--- not the actual views or actions of the GOP.

You must be joking. No matter what you think of Hillary's politics, you must concede that she is a credible spokesman for this country.

Joking? Sadly, No. The people who can allow themselves even a momentary consideration of Sarah Palin in the presidency of this country are capable of believing and thinking anything no matter how absurd and preposterous.

MoCowgirl:

Off topic, I have really enjoyed our conversation today!

Im sure you are right when it comes to changing rhetoric as opposed to changing views in regards to the GOP especially come 2012. I guess its just weird to me to watch half of the country follow a party that has an increasingly irrelevant worldview.

I guess its just weird to me to watch half of the country follow a party that has an increasingly irrelevant worldview.

bullyism is in or was during w's terms. we don't take any crap from anybody and we do not apologize for anything. hey, who needs the rest of the world?

sms29s66

You must be joking.

When I'm joking you'll know it.

No matter what you think of Hillary's politics, you must concede that she is a credible spokesman for this country.

Really now? Perhaps you don't remember this, but she carpetbagged her way into a Senate seat in my home state of New York for the self-serving purpose of advancing her political career. Rarely if ever did I hear from her or Schumer, and when I wrote letters to them, their staffers, when they did answer at all, replied with a generic form letter.

Hillary does what's good for Hillary. I don't trust her as far as I can throw my car.

800 lb. gorilla

while i understand that hillary does not speak russian, she is still a very educated and intelligent woman. the same can not be said for palin.

Bernie Madoff had a degree in poli sci. Dr. Mengele held two degrees in medicine from German universities. No doubt they were educated and intelligent as well. Your point?

MoCowgirl-1193719

I actually can see some sense in your comment due to the fact that the GOP probably did not want control of the mess that they had largely helped create, nor a clue on how to fix it.

The only major messes they created were the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around $5 trillion in new debt. If you think they brought on the economic collapse you're dead wrong. It was in the cards for decades and would have happened with a Democrat in office.

They continue to say NO to anything that even might be a step in the right direction and offer no viable alternatives.

You're going to need more than talking points to debate me.

I think that they knew that this is going do be a long, slow, painful process to get the economy stable, and a lot of people are going to be pissed no matter who is in office.

You're damned right they are. And I'm quite content with the corrupt, self-serving pols in power - POTUS included - for taking every bit of the heat that they so sorely deserve.

Now, they can sit on the sidelines and naysay, point fingers, and stir crap, and turn up the rhetoric to hopefully gain power after necessary changes have been implemented that they were "against".

They could do that, or they could merely lie low and let the electorate do the bashing. Nice option to have, don'cha think?

What's important though is that the people scare the bejeezus out of the Republicans as well. Even better, toss EVERYONE out of Congress, amend the Constitution to place term limits, and then get the federal government working for the people again instead of the lobbyists.

rickace, I think you're outvoted on this one, buddy.

Hillary does what's good for Hillary. I don't trust her as far as I can throw my car.

I'm pretty sure the person who wrote that helped put George Bush in control of this country for 8 devastating years. So, consider the source.

Even better, toss EVERYONE out of Congress, amend the Constitution to place term limits, and then get the federal government working for the people again instead of the lobbyists.

I agree, we need a house cleaning.

rickace

I actually can see some sense in your comment due to the fact that the GOP probably did not want control of the mess that they had largely helped create, nor a clue on how to fix it.

The only major messes they created were the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around $5 trillion in new debt. If you think they brought on the economic collapse you're dead wrong. It was in the cards for decades and would have happened with a Democrat in office.

The only messes were conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and around $5 trillion...

(you're just yankin' our chains, aren't you). These messes are not inconsequential.

But I agree with you fully that this collapse was inevitable. After 30 years of living off of credit (deficit spending, St. Reagan's corpse should be shot), it was inevitable that the bill -- and its interest -- would rear its ugly head.

Fact is: America needs to pay up.

The question is...how? The CEOs are too greedy to invest their money back into America's infrastructure. The Republicans will block any new regulation of business that St. Reagan and his antecessors were so adept at dismantling. No one wants higher taxes, and quite frankly the middle and lower socioeconomic classes can't afford to pay them. Telling America to "tighten its belt" and won't help spur economy. And America's mindset is one of expansionism, not contraction. We'd need a complete ideological shift in order to convince Americans to conserve. Not likely.

Unless we, as Americans, can find some way to cooperate...or unless the leader after Mr. Obama is a dictator with the military force to enforce a police state at home...we're @!$%#ed.

rickace.

Debt incurred from Ford through GWB.....any guess whose party leads, even excels at deficit spending?

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

Here are a few tips...but the chart is amazing.

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $100 Billion in one year!

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $200 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $300 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $400 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $500 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion AGAIN! Almost hits $600 Billion!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a THIRD time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FOURTH time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FIFTH time!

RickAce,

You are not alone, the blinders and Ti dome protectors that the gorilla, cow, and sms have prevented the normal flow of electrical current from dendrite to synapses in their respective mellons. Odumbo raised the debt 1.2 trillion $ in less then 10 months! He should be impeached for high crimes against the country!

smellitcoming,

Sure, right after Bush and Cheney are tried and convicted for lying to to the American people and congress about WMDs, getting us involved in an unjust war, killing our sons and daughters, and for war crimes.

Yep, right after that, I'll support you on impeaching President Obama for trying to fix the f**king mess Bush & Co. left.

Lola,

I never said Bush and Cheney were the Einstein and Planck of politics. Fact, the country is worse off with Odumbo and Goony Bird Biden then with Bush and Cheney. Fact, the war was not illegal. Fact, Palin will help the GOP with donations and putting our country back on the right fiscal track. One thing my dad has always said, "You DON'T BORROW MONEY TO GET OUT OF DEBT!" Palin is a rising star and will be around for a long time to come. I live in Texas when home, I thought Texans new better? What happened to you?

I am still appalled that the GOP put this woman on the national stage as a candidate for VP.

Like it's the first time:

• Spiro Agnew: ranting moron, criminally minded, overtly bigoted
• Ronald Reagan: intellectually challenged, ignorant, incipient Alzheimer's
• Dan Quayle: roaring idiot
• George W. Bush: howling idiot, morbidly ignorant and proud of it

On the other hand, while you can disagree with their politics, you can't credibly challenge the intellect or the knowledge of any Democrat who has run for office going back at least as far as Kennedy/Johnson.

I never said Bush and Cheney were the Einstein and Planck of politics.

No you didn't, I'm suggesting that trying them would be a great place to start. Seeings our current President is only trying to keep us out of a depression to the likes of the 1930's depression.

Fact, the country is worse off with Odumbo and Goony Bird Biden then with Bush and Cheney.

That is not a fact, but keep on thinking it if it helps you refuse to support the President in office now. Anything to make it Obama's waterloo right?

Fact, the war was not illegal.

BS, the war that Bush and Cheney got us in to by lying is illegal, and should never had happened.

Fact, Palin will help the GOP with donations and putting our country back on the right fiscal track.

ROFLMAO! Good luck with that!

One thing my dad has always said, "You DON'T BORROW MONEY TO GET OUT OF DEBT!"

Yes, to bad GHW didn't tell GW jr. "don't tell your country to spend, spend, spend when you're going to start a war to line your buddies pockets and get Saddam to show me how tough you are son, while killing the US economy".

Palin is a rising star and will be around for a long time to come.

I highly doubt it, but I'll certainly be watching for comedy purposes, it hasn't let me down yet.

I live in Texas when home, I thought Texans new better? What happened to you?

I refuse to drink the koolaid.

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $100 Billion in one year!

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $200 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $300 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $400 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $500 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion AGAIN! Almost hits $600 Billion!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a THIRD time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FOURTH time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FIFTH time!

And Obama will do more than all of this combined, in less than two years.

Fact, the country is worse off with Odumbo and Goony Bird Biden then with Bush and Cheney.

smellitcoming - just a couple things you should know:

• you can say "Fact" but that will not make it so
• the word you wanted between Biden and with is than not then
• our President is Barack Obama
• our Vice President is Joe Biden
• when you use disrespectful, childish terms instead of the proper names of our president and vice president you do not insult them; instead you show yourself to be immature and ignorant (Are you 12?)

Read 1.36 again Kate try and let it sink in. You ever hear of freedom of speech? No I am not 12, I am, well in these days 1000 and been there and done that all over this planet. Go Palin, I love to see the left froth at the mention of her name. Are you a native American? Forgot to go to class? Thanks for your comments they are well noted, but not well taken for the simple fact of worthlessness!

Lola,

What planet are you from and how long have you been on earth? Wise up and drink Bud Lite, much better then the poison you are being feed! Odumbo is the stupidest president we have ever had, no wait Carter was. He is the second stupidest president sorry forgot about Carter, I wonder why?LOL Must be the Affirmative Action Curve in play again! Why do you keep referencing Bush? He was no good either but way way better then Odumbo. I do get the Bush part, quite often I might say!!lol Have a good day, Hook'em Horns, go Frogs!! We shall just agree to disagree on most major points!

Why do you keep referencing Bush? I do get the Bush part, quite often I might say!!

smillitcoming,

Evidently you're arguing with yourself and answering your own questions, good job.

Hook'em Horns!!! Go Horned Frogs!!!

Thanks Lola, I need a little affirmation every now and then.lol both team WON AGAIN!

Just because its a pet peeve, let me point out that it is ABSURD for anyone to try to defend their free speech rights on a free speech forum.

Freedom of speech means that you are allowed to say what you want about the government without fear of persecution . Free speech does not mean no one is allowed to argue with you. It also doesn't entitle you to stupidity or ignorance.

theRightisWrong-1420179

Free speech does not mean no one is allowed to argue with you. It also doesn't entitle you to stupidity or ignorance.

No one is entitled to stupidity or ignorance. Sometimes they are just born that way! :)

@lilgremlin: Oh, for real! I swear if I see one more person refer to the 1st Amendment to defend their opinions, Im gonna implode!

This is what happens when people learn the text of what their rights are but not the meaning nor the responsibilities.

I said thank goodness free speech was limited and people went ballistic. However, do I want to live in a world where someone can yell fire wherever they want? In a field? At a football stadium during a game? In a hospital waiting room? Well, not me and likely not you. There must be limits to preserve a greater good, ie people lives. That why if you stand on a corner and tell people to kill so and so because he's a bastard and you stand there and keep it up, and watch them with blood in their eyes, turn and point to a stack of bricks and say, take it and avenge the truth, yeah you can and will be arrested.

Sure you have a right to speak, but not one to incite a riot or murder as people's right to life overwhelms any right to speak. More importantly, you have a responsibility as a citizen of this country to not incite riots or murder. Not merely can you but should you. And the bill of rights, to those who don't know, limit what the GOVERNMENT can do to you. Not what you can do.

This is what happens when people learn the text of what their rights are but not the meaning nor the responsibilities.

Amen! One of my main reasons in backing Obama is that he has consistently preached the power of personal responsibility when addressing any issue that we have as a nation. Once we as a people start to understand that the Government isn't solely responsible and that we, as citizens, have more of an impact on the direction of the country, we might finally be able to fix some of the problems we've been facing since the 1950's when responsibility went out the window.

char

perhaps, they could have worded it differently, but the point is that she has been isolated in alaska and she is not as cosmopolitan as the title would suggest. therefore, it is a lie.

char

perhaps, they could have worded it differently, but the point is that she has been isolated in alaska and she is not as cosmopolitan as the title would suggest. therefore, in that context, it is a lie.

I agree with what you both wrote, but I still don't see it as a lie. She's as American as anybody who has never left their hometown in rural, lower-48 or Hawaii, or urban areas for that matter. So she represents those with poor knowledge of American history/geography; that's a large segment of America I'd wager.

Her claim to represent all the joe and jane 6 packs (and have them represent all of America), I find odd, but if she wants to claim 'em, good luck with that.

The other ones . . . . I still cannot believe the Couric interview. Why Palin would push that back in the spotlight is beyond me.

Course, most of what she does/says is beyond me. :)

it could say, "...the typical american life", i suppose. i prefer my leaders to be a little more well-read and more travelled.

i prefer my leaders to be a little more well-read and more travelled.

Me too :)

perhaps, they could have worded it differently, but the point is that she has been isolated in alaska and she is not as cosmopolitan as the title would suggest. therefore, it is a lie.

So unless one has led a "cosmopolitan" life, one cannot be American? My husband grew up in a ski town in CO, never traveled much, and doesn't read much. Is he less of an American than I am?

And what of Obama? He spent his childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia; is he less of an American than his wife, who grew up in Chicago?

No one's claiming that Palin isn't an American, and no one's attacking your husband. Stop playing the victim. And I believe it is your crowd who continues to squeal about Obama's "citizenship."

What they're saying is that Palin is stunningly ignorant of the fundamentals of the country she wanted to help run. She is shaky at best on her geography and shockingly ignorant of the various groups and classes of people that make up the American demographic. She's even worse with other countries; I doubt she can find most countries on the map, and has little to no idea what our relations with most of them constitute.

But, we've seen for years that the Republicans celebrate ignorance as some sort of "real American" virtue. George Bush went to war with Iraq without understanding the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite or that schism's impact on the country and its relations with its neighbors. Even McCain, the supposed foreign policy expert, couldn't figure out which was which. It took a TV movie to make Ronald Reagan understand that nuclear weapons weren't fun boom-boom toys, but weapons that would have an appalling effect on their target populations. And Dan Quayle didn't know New Mexico was a state.

Killfile - Palin's life is well outside the norm experience for most Americans

A shortcoming I hope they will address in their own lives instead of criticizing those more well rounded

The only state as isolated as Alaska is Hawaii, isn't that ironic? Both are actually separate the continental 48.

Palin isn't UnAmerican but she is by no means typical. The fact that she is and was living in an isolated state where many times people can not get in or out due to weather considerations is what they are referring to.

Hawaii on the other hand rarely has a weather condition where they can not get in and out not to mention they get more international traffic from both east and west there.

As for knowledge of other states and american geography, there's no excuse for that. I can find the states on the map. Am I more knowledgeable about Florida history than Alaskan or Hawaii, yeah but ummm I was raised there. I am also more knowledgeable about south than north Florida, and of Miami Dade county than Broward.

However, if I was planning to run for office for Georgia, I would think that it would behoove me to learn about georgia, it's history, it's famous sites, and about the people who live there. Not just assume they are all exactly like me. This is not a homogeneous country.

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If I am planning to run for president/vice president then don't you think my time would be better spent learning about the diverse groups that make up this country rather than saying, anyone who isn't just like me isn't a real american.

When she said that... I turned her off, and never turned her back on again.

Rahlly - The fact that she is and was living in an isolated state where many times people can not get in or out due to weather considerations is what they are referring to.

And yet, we know the comment was made by someone with a computer and knowledge the internet exists

Do you suppose they are so backward they haven't a clue that Alaskans have computers and the internet too?

No but that's if you have good service.

Not every place does. I know of locations that if you don't have good service yer crap out of luck. Besides, and no one jump me for the age remark, was the internet around when she was in college and such? I lived on a college campus during a hurricane I had perfect service. I visit my brother out in north west georgia, it's crap!

Also it depends on how computer savvy palin is. My coworker livia, great lady, hates using the computer. My coworker marta, same age as livia, loves the computer.

roflmao!!!

CLICK!

How about "Fantasy" or maybe "Psychology - Case Studies in Delusion"

My local library has a fantasy section, but I haven't seen the psychology section. I think an argument could be made for those catagories too.

Not fantasy... one person's delusion doesn't make it worth the title of literary fantasy... pysch section

Oh well, that's the purpose. Having a book in every home.

McCain never had a chance to win the Presidency and if he got close to our actual President, he owes that to Sarah Palin.

he owes that to Sarah Palin.

What I wouldn't give to hear McCains' honest uncensored reply to that one! ROFLMAO.

he owes that to Sarah Palin.

What I wouldn't give to hear McCains' honest uncensored reply to that one! ROFLMAO.

Me too MoCowgirl!

Discount book bin very shortly

Like so many books written by conservatives, its "bestseller" status is artificially inflated: conservative organizations and groups buy the book in bulk lots, quickly and deceitfully ramping up its sales figures. The standard is 100,000 for best-seller status, which can be done within days by right-wing funding outfits. Then they give the books away, sell them for discount prices, or pulp them.

I expect to see it on the shelves at Dollar Tree well before Easter. Maybe by Valentine's Day.

It's already on the table ::laughing::

Another tactic is to order masses of them, then 48 hrs before they ship, cancel the orders. The bookstores have already ordered them in based on the pre-sales and are now stuck with them. Best way to get them put on the discount table for 4.95.

I just object to the price gouging, no way am I going to pay five times what the book is worth! And that's giving it the benefit of the doubt. Mother replied, that I overestimated the book value by a 10 to the second.

She couldn't, not wouldn't. She couldn't even name Alaska's only major newspaper, the Anchorage Daily News.

I honestly don't think she could name the fifty states. I don't even think she could fill in a predrawn map with the fifty names.

I honestly don't think she could name the fifty states. I don't even think she could fill in a predrawn map with the fifty names.

I wonder if Obama can still name all 57 states.

space

to slip up and say 57 instead of 47 does not mean that one does not know his geography. when you make you living using words, then you will misspeak once in a while. you do know the context in which it was said, correct?

space

oh, and nice ad hominem attack. that will surely score big points in the debate.

Well, Russia could be seen in a clear day from Alaska.

Cob the Crazed

Tough wordfs Rick, I can see why they tried to hide you:

Hehe yeah ^_^

It would hardly be the first time I got collapsed for expressing an unpopular point of view. It actually says more about the "community" than it does about me. The possibility that Sarah Palin was complicit in tanking the election so that Obama could take the heat must be quite detestable to some, as is the possibility that the Dems' chronic bungling since Election Day could be a plus for the Pubs.

Or maybe I use too many of those nasty links!

Collapsing can backfire too. When I see a collapsed post it becomes more interesting and I'll usually open it up to see what was said.

Just another day in the sandbox we call Newsvine.

They want to make money! MAKE MONEY!

Besides what do you have against penthouse?

Want a tissue?