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Palin assumed that Obama would be taking a victory lap tonight, but she could not have been more wrong, she assumed that Obama would be dishonest and not give Bush or the troops credit. Palin assumed that Obama would behave like, well, Sarah Palin, "The more honest you are about the past, the more likely it is you will gain the support of the American people for your Iraq policy in the future. We need to be able to trust the White House war strategy, as our children's future depends on it. Being honest with us tonight is a good starting point in building trust."
By launching a preemptive strike against Obama's speech tonight, Republicans left themselves wide open to be made fools of, which is exactly what the president did. Did Sarah Palin or John Boehner speak to George W. Bush today and give him credit for his contributions? Nope. In stunning contrast to Obama's actual speech, Palin spent most of her Facebook post attacking the president instead of thanking the troops.
Obama Outsmarts Sarah Palin and the GOP With Iraq Speech
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Sure, Obama did in fact do that but it doesn't matter. The expectations set up by Palin and her crowd hold regardless of what Obama says because the people who listen to Palin and her ilk aren't going to tune in for the speech or for any coverage of it other than that provided by Fox News.
In perpetuating this idea that there's only one trustworthy news source and the rest is the "Lamestream Media" (seriously?) Fox has constructed an echo chamber in which there can be no dissenting opinion.
Their viewers will believe whatever they say because they'll never see any suggestion that they ought to be more skeptical.
- 73 votes
I enjoyed the fact that the President gave any comment about Bush jr. I guess he figured that he really couldn't go on National TV and claim that he (Obama) had pulled the troops out on his own directive and not based on former Bush jr's surge operational planning???
Oh wait he did do that. What was I thinking? I find it even more amusing that during political debate then Sen. Obama made his notice well known that he did not support the surge. He did not support additional funding for Iraq. Even democrats attempted to stall and block several votes back then (oh wait, is that the same thing republicans are being accussed of doing?)
"19 months ago since taking office I have brought the troops home from Iraq....." (para-phrasing)
"Bush supported the troops..." Wow. I guess the left would have flipped out if he had said, "Bush went into Iraq for the wrong reasons but in the end his acceptance and push for the surge did reduce insurgent operations, extra judicial killings, and lay the first ground work for significant downsizing of US forces.....I was incorrect in my initial disagreement with this plan but I now see that it was the correct course of action."
Nope. Instead we have laid the ground work for countless political video clips of Obama making the claim that "he brought the combat troops home just like he said he would prior to the elections..." Which is bogus and even VP Biden now says that it should be clearly seen as a democratic victory? How so? Did Obama blast then canidate Hillary Clinton for supporting the surge and then flip flop back?
How or why should he take any credit for something that was already established and accepted by two different elected Iraqi governments? I guess you can take credit when you want to and then blame Bush for everything else. Makes sense to me.
- 15 votes
I felt sorry for Obama. His speech was life-less and bland. He looked like the grim reaper. Poor SOB has no spirit.
When he took office, I told all the nay-sayers, perhaps you didn't vote for him, but give him a chance! I wish I had not said that now. He has had his chance! He has attempted to destroy everything that our country stands for.
- 15 votes
Sure, Obama did in fact do that but it doesn't matter. The expectations set up by Palin and her crowd hold regardless of what Obama says because the people who listen to Palin and her ilk aren't going to tune in for the speech or for any coverage of it other than that provided by Fox News.
Sad, but true.
- 41 votes
Who the heck cares if W got credit for anything? He's the ten plagues combined. It'll take decades to make up for the damage he's done us.
This Palin creature is the lead alien from 'V'. I won't be surprised if she stuffs gerbils down her reptilian maul. So why would I care about anything that comes out of it.
Correction, at least the alien leader had some leadership. Palin's only a huckster looking for rubes.
- 47 votes
Giving Bush credit for the success of the surge is a shady honor. The only reason the surge was needed was due to the complete failure by the Bush administration (Rumsfeld) to provide an honest and accurate assessment of the combat needs of the initial invasion — which was also initiated with dubious reasoning. The summation is that if Bush hadn't erred by siding with Rummy instead of Powell, on both the reasoning for war as well as the way to execute that war, many troops lives would have been saved, hundreds of billions of dollars saved, and the surge never needed. Are we to forget that?
Why does Bush deserve credit for the surge without blame for the need of the surge in the first place?
(I know this comment is on the periphery of the topic, but Palin and others are criticizing Obama for being against the successful surge without being honest for the need of the surge due to the initial failures of the Bush administration is related to the discussion in my opinion.)
- 56 votes
When he took office, I told all the nay-sayers, perhaps you didn't vote for him, but give him a chance! I wish I had not said that now. He has had his chance! He has attempted to destroy everything that our country stands for.
Interesting. He talked about what he planned to do as President all during the campaign, and you told the naysayers to give him a chance. As it's turned out, he's gone much less far than he proposed during the campaign, and most of his major stumbles have occurred as a result of being to eager to compromise with the right. Yet, you now think he's "destroying the country".
This is why we say, and I will continue to say that it's about his race with a lot of people.
- 48 votes
Bush lied, invaded a country to get its oil, went to war without making proper arrangements to supply the military boots-on-the-ground with protective equipment, stood in front of a huge mission accomplished banner while in military rig on a naval carrier, and had to escalate the poorly conducted war in Iraq with a "surge".
That's behind us, let's turn the page.
Bush left a melted-down economic mess that Obama has to find some way of bringing to closure. It's all about the economy no matter who wins in November.
- 34 votes
How much Iraqi oil are we currently receiving these days? You would think under that assessment with the massive Iraqi oil fields that can compare and exceed Saudi Arabia's capacity we should then now have gas down under a $1.00?
Bush jr. went into Iraq with less then a full battle plan and little to no idea on the after effects of removing Saddam and his government. But..... The United States did make significant changes and did inflict a considerable amount of damage to various pro-Al Qaida elements. A number of would be/wanna be OBL runner ups are now six feet deep. Is that the credit of Bush jr or our military? The military. But give some credit to Bush jr in hearing out the military staff and giving the okay for the surge deployments and extending several heavy combat brigades tour of duty. It was needed and we did it. I think some people are upset or a little puzzled at how President Obama would even touch such a debate? It's not like he supported much of anything concerning OIF let alone anything with the cost of it. So at the end of already set rotation plans that were in the works two years prior, we checked the boxes and said "we will adhere to the US/Iraq agreement".
50,000 US troops still there. Hopefully the transitional period between complete handover will go without major incidents and attacks.
- 9 votes
Invading a country for its oil while using a military unprepared for the effort got heavy duty support later in the form of an escalation entitled "surge". Saying that the surge tactic succeeded is a wonder and a ponder: if we had not invaded the country to start with while using a poorly provisioned military, we would not have need to escalate with the "surge".
Our military men and women respond as directed and I'm mighty proud of them. I am by far less proud of hawks who see something that they want and go for it, no matter the cost to the nation. We didn't get the oil. Insurgents blow up the oil lines every chance that they get. We didn't get the oil, so, the war didn't pay for itself as it was supposed to according to the hawks.
[bangin head on keyboard] If we hadn't invaded, performed badly, got our butts kicked by less well provisioned inhabitants of the country that we invaded, we would not have needed to raise the ante with a surge AKA escalation. Having said alla that: it's a good thing that the surge "worked" [by whatever metric is being used] because we were and still are in very deep doo-dah.
- 23 votes
but Palin and others are criticizing Obama for being against the successful surge without being honest for the need of the surge due to the initial failures of the Bush administration is related to the discussion in my opinion.
Good point.
- 26 votes
Your problem is you think there is a difference between Palin and Obama!
They are the same, both willing to send men and women to die for the BANKERs they each work for and serve as minions too!
Republicans are the other side of the same evil that runs the country today and we all have to demand an END to this partisan BS of US versus them, because it is BULL!
Fire everybody and keep firing them them until we get a smaller much small Federal government or soon you will have to wear your under ware on the outside for inspection!
- 8 votes
Killfile, your a straight shooter and I appreciate your post!
Keep up the great job.
- 23 votes
Killfile - same racist @!$%#, different day.
I've been wanting to write an article, but have little time (I get to live through Integral Calculus this semester, combined with my Dwarf Fortress addiction...).
Go back in history to the Reconstruction after the Civil War. Many locales, including the South, elected blacks to political positions. They did a good job, overall, but that didn't stop the Tea Party of the time from crapblasting endlessly about their "incompetence" and "inexperience". They whined and bitched until they drove them all from office and the Klan came and ruled the South with a conservative fist for the next 100 years. I've wanted to go in and do some really good detailed analysis, but ...well, let someone else do it. I'm writing off the USA as a failed experiment - killed due to unending ignorance and stupidity.
- 12 votes
Mac, Iraq would be number six on the list for crude oil imports and 7th on total oil imports. Who are they behind?
Canada, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Mexico, and Venezuela, for total oil imports add Russia. That's what happens when oil is sold on the world market.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
What no one talks about is what it costs for the US to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq. How about the equivalent money spent on jobs would yield 240,000 green jobs. That is a true cost to the US economy.
- 10 votes
I think the President was correct in weighing in on the mosque controversy. Dont forget the whole world is watching, especially muslim countries . He had to make it clear to the rest of the world that the US abides by its constitution. For him to let it pass would give a greater reason for the radical Islamists to cheer and boast about the prejudice in the US.
- 20 votes
From what Bush, Cheney and Rhumsfield said, the Iraqis would have paid for the war and welcomed us with open arms. So far we have lost how many lives and wasted HOW much money? Please take it out of the warmonger's bank accounts.....Bush Sr and his cronies at Carlyle Group, Cheney's Halliburton and that corrupt outfit formerly known as blackwater!
- 18 votes
I think the President was correct in weighing in on the mosque controversy.
At the beginning of the war, Bush weighed in on the whole anti-Muslim more frequently, with more intensity than Obama has, and yet...
- 12 votes
At the beginning of the war, Bush weighed in on the whole anti-Muslim more frequently, with more intensity than Obama has, and yet...
It's not the message...it's the messenger. conservatives could hear the exact same message from Bush and take it as gospel, but because Obama said it.....it's a lie and from the devil.
- 28 votes
We proud of should be proud of Obama. His intelligence outshines all of our past Presidents. Bush deserved to be thanked for his effords, even though I do not and did not support him. Bush did a good thing, he freed oppressed people, even if it wasn't his goal.
People, all war is to protect American Interests. All war is at the expense of the population or masses. Histroy repeats itself.
As for Palin, anyone who believes her.... She is playing people and trying to control them through fear, family values, and religion. Those who listen get what they deserve.
- 15 votes
the only victory lap run, was by the war profiteers to the tune of trillion of dollars
and who are still in Iraq profiteering
and the only ones who will pay for this "fraudulent war" is the poor and the needy
and the Hague is missing some criminals
- 13 votes
Intelligent....Give me a break. We were scheduled to be out,except for 50,000 military, by now with Bush. The mistake he made is not declaring victory because that is what it was. We got Saddam and stopped the past Iraq government from paying for terrorist activities.
- 2 votes
This is what I meant by neither Bush nor right wingers in general having anything like a reality based concept of victory. It comes down, for them, to continually moving the goal posts, getting close but not over the line, and declaring "victory." It's Orwellian in it's manipulation of language.
- 14 votes
The expectations set up by Palin and her crowd hold regardless of what Obama says because the people who listen to Palin and her ilk aren't going to tune in for the speech or for any coverage of it other than that provided by Fox News.
The speech of our gracious President interrupted my Mexican soap Opera, I think that he talks even during his dreams.
- 3 votes
And when the Republicans clean up Obama mess the next 10 years, the Liberals will rewrite history once again saying "Obama Fixed the Great Economic and Environmental Disasters in American History." When in fact, he worsed the Economic Disaster through his failed economic policies and overhyped the Oil Disaster while he sat and fiddled as BP did all the work.
- 2 votes
Obama had to mention President Bush, there was so much controversy about it he couldn't take the credit. He looked like a cardboard cutout sitting there and looked like he was thinking "I hope this satisfy those SOBS for five Min's."Good thing the TelePrompter was right in front of him:)
- 3 votes
We got Saddam and stopped the past Iraq government from paying for terrorist activities.
Except for the whole fact that there was never any tie between the Iraq government and terrorist activities - especially Al Queda. People with ties to the Saudi government give more to terrorists than probably any other nation in the Middle East.
- 11 votes
Ansar Al Islam had ties to the Iraqi government prior to the removal of Saddam. Ansar Al Islam was a active enemy against pro-democratic Northern Kurdish element. Saddam allowed AI to move without worry so long as they target the KDP.
Also, Saddam was supporting the suicide bombers during the last "intifadah" in Gaza. He was paying the families of suicide bombers over 10,000 to 20,000 dollars per incident. Was this justification for complete invasion? No. But to argue that Saddam was just sitting in Iraq doing nothing would be incorrect.
I do agree with your Saudi assessment though. Of course there are a number of Arab countries that walk that fine line between active supporting terrorism and claiming to fight the same people at the same time.
- 1 vote
He has attempted to destroy everything that our country stands for.
I hate this kind of idiotic sentence.
- 10 votes
Good seed and it is my opinionthat Sarah Palin and company sound like some desperate fear mongers!
- 9 votes
Typical SP: snarky, negative and assuming everyone else is a mean girl like her. Contrast: President Obama sounded measured, reasonable, and neither blamed nor took credit, tried to unite not divide. Whether or not you like the man, you have to acknoweldge the fact that he shows respect for dissenting opinions and the people who issue them. My favorite line was the one that went something like Patriots supported the war and Patriots opposed the war. We have got to retreat from the Bush/Cheney/Palin attitude that anyone who disagrees with them is evil.
- 10 votes
CM, throw out your first and last sentences and I'm with you. Obama was fair this time. Anything that pisses off Maddow is a good thing.
- 1 vote
the surge didnt do crap, we started to pay the sunnis and others more money to stop shooting at us then their leadership was paying them to shoot at us.
and we wouldnt have been in iraq with 5000 americans DEAD, had it not been for the lies and incompetance of the Bush admin.
heck we would be already our of afghanistan had he not gone on the pnac mission to iraq.
funny as hell the right dont want to comment on the article or the fact that they preemptively attacked obama and were made to look like fools. Nah they would rather attack obama.... for.. w"ell if he didnt give credit.. he would have really sucked."
ahh imaginary @!$%# again.
- 6 votes
You forgot that our Congress sent our men and women wearing the uniform giving the President a blank check.
The Afghanis sent the Russians home.
But....our gracious President is paying a high price for his decision without knowing.
- 2 votes
Obama Outsmarts Sarah Palin
(YAWN) - so can my nine month old son......and you don't see me posting articles about that! ;)
- 5 votes
Oliver:
He has attempted to destroy everything that our country stands for.
What has he destroyed exactly??? The destruction was under the last administration; the President is trying his damndest to build back our country with no help whatsoever from the right!!! Sad!!
- 5 votes
"Obama Fixed the Great Economic and Environmental Disasters in American History."
Now, that's more like it. Thanks for saying The Truth even if you didn't mean to.
- 2 votes
Do you really really want to give credit to someone ? And here is the real SOMEONE, not Bush nor anybody else (the rest are a bunch of fuk up) :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/29/iraq.usa
and if we did that, possibly the war wouldn't cost too many lives, money and pain to today.
Giving Bush credit for the success of the surge is a shady honor. The only reason the surge was needed was due to the complete failure by the Bush administration (Rumsfeld) to provide an honest and accurate assessment of the combat needs of the initial invasion — which was also initiated with dubious reasoning.
Yeah, and he also never gave a politicial surge(this is the main reason why I can't credit Bush for this)...
There's a reason why Americans think that the Iraq war was a mistake.
- 1 vote
Also, if anyone thinks that this is Bush's credit, they should read this article(especially the first few paragraphs)...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?ref=middleeast (After Years of War, Few Iraqis Have a Clear View of the Future)
- 2 votes
How hard is it to out smart Palin?
That's accomplished with a child proof aspirin bottle.
- 3 votes
People with ties to the Saudi government give more to terrorists than probably any other nation in the Middle East.
As long as the Saudis have the US dependent on the oil barrels, this will not change. The simple solution would be for the US to develop alternate energy sources. No longer will our money need to go to the Saudis, resulting in less terrorist funding and less mosque funding. You would think that all the conservatives who whine about mosque building would be in favor of this. But we all know Big Oil fills the GOBP campaign coffers.
The hypocrisy is so evident in that they complain about Islam's growing influence but won't stop its main source of funding.
- 3 votes
Really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/opinion/02collins.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
By 2012 or 2016 the demonizers of Sarah Palin will be exhausted.
- 1 vote
Not in all bold, please. Feel free to repost in the regular typeface.
He did give George Bush credit for being a patriot and supporting the troops.
Skeptical? Yes.
"End of Combat operations", "But", sounds eerily like "Mission Accomplished", "But", wouldn't you say!
- 7 votes
#2 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 8:41 AM EDTExcept that 100,000 troops have come home, and there is a stated goal and a timeline for the end of the mission.
None of which Bush was ever able to articulate.
What is it with you righties that you have to find a tit-for-tat for everything? Is that why you're such sore losers?
- 29 votes
It did eerily smack of Bush's infamous declaration on the carrier. But it also, happily, lacked that false bravado triumphalism that so often seeped into Bush's cowboy rhetoric. We are not leaving a very pretty scene in Iraq and it will probably get worse again. Just more reminders that we are going to be dealing with the negative repercussions of Bush's disastrous presidency for decades, if not generations.
- 11 votes
@Maximillio......It's not about tit-for-tat, it's about honesty. Yes....100,000 troops have come home! But "the rest of the story" is that a large majority of them are only home for a visit before they are reassigned to Afghanistan to man the combat surge there.
Fact - it was the Bush administration that negotiated the time line for the end of the mission in Iraq. Kudos to Pres. Obama for at least acknowledging Bush II in his speech. That was nice of him, I admit. Kudos also to Pres. Obama for keeping his word to the Iraqi people. It would be nice if he'd do that a bit more often on the home front but, one thing at a time, I guess....
I'm no Bush II supporter by any stretch. He made some HUGE mistakes and should be admonished for ignoring the will of the American people during the last 3 or 4 years of his administration. The rest of the story there is that Pres. Obama's administration is 100% guilty of the exact same sin!
As has already been mentioned in this thread, if we, the American people, do not force an end to all of the highly partisan political rhetoric, it's going to kill us all. And....tough as it may seem, it would be nice if we could begin that change here at NV.
- 3 votes
Anyone is checking how many troops are visitors in the Gulf countries like Kuwait and Qatar?
- 2 votes
The rest of the story there is that Pres. Obama's administration is 100% guilty of the exact same sin!
Anyone who could say or type that with a straight face is just masquerading as a Bush apologist, no matter how they protest otherwise.
- 6 votes
It was Bush's responsibility to end the war in Iraq and not as he said "the next President's" responsibility. He admittedly left this for the next President. The surge is not what quieted things down, it was the financial payments to the opposition that quieted the attacks.
- 6 votes
Just like it wasn't the US taking the war to Osama, it was the US quietly removing all of its troops from Saudi Arabia that has kept us from being attacked again.
Just don't tell the conservative base the truth or quote facts - it conflicts with their faith-based reality.
- 4 votes
lacked that false bravado triumphalism that so often seeped into Bush's cowboy rhetoric
No it didn't.
To Bad.
A bit of emotion would have been nice. Makes the Troops feel better!
It was like watching McCain pound his fist on the podium during the elections. It just didn't work then and Obama's demeanor didn't work now.
Except that 100,000 troops have come home, and there is a stated goal and a timeline for the end of the mission.
We'll be back, SOON!
We also still have the promised surge to re-man in Afganistan.
it is an outright lie to say a majority of those troops will go to afghanstan.
I think someone felt like it was true, so they just pulled it out their asses and pretended it was true.
a majority of those coming home from iraq, will stay home.
they are just looking for a reason, any reason to attack obama so they outright make @!$%# up.
they deployed 30k more troops in Afghanistan LAST @!$%#ING YEAR, and that was the total surge.
Not sure why the right have to lie so much, I think they must feel guilty for killing so many of our soldiers with their incompetence and lies.
You know fox today, is posting a graphic saying the stimulus cost the us more than the wars? the stimulus didnt kill 5000. Much of the stimulus was used to buy crap that we can sell back. we might not get all our money back but we will get a lot back. war funding also doesnt include taking care of the injured for life.
but dont let that get in the way of the right wing lie.. and how they have to attack obama 24/7 or you might just remember what the @!$%# they did to this country.
the right wing actually killed more americans than osama bin ladin.
and what did we get for the effort? not a damn thing.
- 5 votes
Are you talking about this part of his speech being a "Lie":
As we speak, al Qaeda continues to plot against us, and its leadership remains anchored in the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan. We will disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda, while preventing Afghanistan from again serving as a base for terrorists. And because of our drawdown in Iraq, we are now able to apply the resources necessary to go on offense. In fact, over the last 19 months, nearly a dozen al Qaeda leaders -- and hundreds of al Qaeda's extremist allies -- have been killed or captured around the world.
Within Afghanistan, I have ordered the deployment of additional troops who -- under the command of Gen. David Petraeus -- are fighting to break the Taliban's momentum. As with the surge in Iraq, these forces will be in place for a limited time to provide space for the Afghans to build their capacity and secure their own future. But, as was the case in Iraq, we cannot do for Afghans what they must ultimately do for themselves.
Wonder what "we are now able to apply more resources" means? Hmmmm.
I'm sorry to tell you guys that troops leaving Iraq and coming to Afghanistan has to happen. Because bush couldn't/didn't/wouldn't finish the crap he started over here in Afghanistan before taking on his personal agenda inside of Iraq, the mission out here fell to the way side. I'm pretty sure Obama isn't happen to have to issue orders sending troops over to Afghanistan but that's what you get when you have to clean up the sh!t sandwhich left by your predecessor.
- 1 vote
Thank God we have an adult in the White House. Too bad America indulges the inane cacophony of abject idiocy coming from the right wing kiddie table.
- 42 votes
so right, I mean correct. They mean two entirely different things nowadays, don't they?
- 14 votes
dimwillie, the prez follower GWB's Iraq plan as if GWB was still in office. He also supports the patriot act which Bush was ridiculed for. Sounds like odumbo supports the so called idiocy from the right as well as his own idiocy!
- 7 votes
(Obama was for mosque-then was not talking about mosque- then was for mosque again)
Incorrect. He stated plainly he was for the Constitution. He has purposely left out his personal opinion about whether or not it should be there.
- 25 votes
Wrong - He stated originally that he was for the mosque in NYC - then said he was not talking specifically about it
Ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground,” Obama said at a White House dinner celebrating the Muslim holiday of Ramadan. “But let me be clear: As a citizen and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”
- 3 votes
manfromboston - nice job at proving Eris2010's point. In your quote of Obama, nowhere do I see him interjecting a personal belief. As Eris2010 stated, Obama simply said that they have the right to build a place a worship.
Damn that Constitution giving everyone equal rights. What's it thinking (sarc.)
- 25 votes
Read your own quote
He never spoke specifically about whether or he thinks it should be there. Even in your quote the only thing he is saying is that they have a Constitutional right to put it there.
“But let me be clear: As a citizen and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.
That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”
- 15 votes
Thank God we have an adult in the White House.
When did that happen?
- 8 votes
Are you people out of your minds? You are splitting hairs ,he said that included the mosque in Manhattan- So how exactly did he not weigh in on the subject?
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”
He later came out and said he was not speaking specifically on the mosque at ground zero .
You are all stretching .
- 3 votes
Saying someone has the RIGHT is not the same thing as saying you think it SHOULD.
I think you have the right to oppose the mosque. I just don't think you should. See how that works? It is not a stretch. Show me one part in that quote that says he believes it SHOULD go there.
He is purposely staying out of the argument and he is smart to. It's just another distracting wedge issue that is a serious non-issue.
- 16 votes
Wrong - He stated originally that he was for the mosque in NYC - then said he was not talking specifically about it
Quotes? Or are you taking Beck's word at this?
- 19 votes
Again you are stretching . He thrust himself into the argument by saying they have the right but not saying he thinks it is insensitive - You are right that he said they have the RIGHT -Again i think that is a case of semantics though - He could have from the get go stayed out of the argument.
- 1 vote
max- do you have a fixation with Beck? Do you secretly like him? Desire him?
- 4 votes
Again i think that is a case of semantics though - He could have from the get go stayed out of the argument.
It is not a case of semantics. A lot of people have voiced this same thing. There is a difference between supporting someone's right to do something and whether or not you think it is wise to do it just because you can.
In fact a lot of the people opposing the mosque say this exact same thing. We're not opposing their right to be there. We just think it's insensitive.
So are these people full of it too? What they really mean is they don't think they should have the "right" to be there right? It's just semantics after all.
As President he is correct to let people know he stands on the side of the Constitution when it comes to the rights of citizens. As President he was sworn to uphold the Constitution. He was also correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it.
- 12 votes
Why is he correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it? Why did he throw his personal opinion in about Gates and the white cop?
Was he right when the threw his opinion about his grandmother and how she was a "typical white person"?
Yes it is semantics- He is trying to not make a decision because he is playing both sides of the fence- This little thread began by someone saying that they are glad that we finally have an adult in the White House- Don't adults stand up for what they believe in and give their opinions? Especially the President? He is staying out of it now because he can not win politically- Does now sound like an adult to me but rather just another politician - No "change we can believe in" but rather more of the same
- 1 vote
Why is he correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it?
Because this is not an issue that should even involve the President. In fact, it should only involve people directly involved and not the entire country.
Why did he throw his personal opinion in about Gates and the white cop?
He shouldn't have but I guess he learned to keep his opinions to himself didn't he. I'd say that was smart. A lot of people have no idea when to keep their mouths shut. Wouldn't you agree?
Was he right when the threw his opinion about his grandmother and how she was a "typical white person"?
Poor choice of words but correct. My mom is also the typical white person born to that generation. I understood perfectly what he was saying because of that, That's just how she is because of the time that she grew up in, same as his grandmother.
Yes it is semantics
So by your logic we can just assume all those in opposition are just bigots who would throw our Constitution under the bus so they can feed their own hate regardless of what they say. If that's the way you want it...
He is an adult for not taking sides because this community center is not really an issue. It's a fabricated issue because it is close to election time. The immature idiots would love to have him say anything they could use to turn the election in their favor and he isn't taking the bait. It's smart. Too bad some of the other Dems can't learn by his example.
How has he played both sides of the fence? Their right to build there is NOT in question. So he is not playing any side. He stated a fact.
- 16 votes
Thank God we have an adult in the White House.
Agreed, especially one with a functional intellect.
- 19 votes
manfromboston.....do YOU really want to go there. We can ALWAYS mention the last duo put up for that office from the gop. Remember McShame and his quitter sidekick. He can't remember what his stance was yesterday let alone abide by it for more than a nanosecond!
- 9 votes
Why is he correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it?
he's not right, he's a human before the president. alot of humans gave their opinions,why cant he?
Why did he throw his personal opinion in about Gates and the white cop?
see my answer above
Was he right when the threw his opinion about his grandmother and how she was a "typical white person"?
This is America he can say whatever he wants about HIS grandmother, he knows her better than any of us
Yes it is semantics- He is trying to not make a decision because he is playing both sides of the fence- This little thread began by someone saying that they are glad that we finally have an adult in the White House- Don't adults stand up for what they believe in and give their opinions? Especially the President?
well if you believe that...then why ask your first 3 questions.
He is staying out of it now because he can not win politically- Does now sound like an adult to me but rather just another politician - No "change we can believe in" but rather more of the same
Actually he wont win politically with republicans and conservatives and people who hate him because of his race, and no matter what he does he cant win. (and before you start flaming cause I said people who hate him because of his race, I said (and) people just like I said (and) conservatives...because there are conservative democrats.)
- 3 votes
Why is he correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it?
I didn't realize Constitutional rights suddenly became subject to opinion.
- 8 votes
I didn't realize Constitutional rights suddenly became subject to opinion
Ever heard of the Supreme Court of the US?
"He could have from the get go stayed out of the argument."
No, he couldn't. Silence speaks volumes, especially when it comes to allowing oppression to continue. And if he hadn't said anything, the right would have excoriated him for not taking a stand. The President was absolutely. 100% spot-on regarding the legality of a mosque there, and certainly did NOT voice any sort of approval for it on a personal level.
You are the one bending over backwards to interpret his words as you see fit.
"Why is he correct in leaving his personal opinion out of it? Why did he throw his personal opinion in about Gates and the white cop?"
Because then folks who don't want the mosque build can't insist he's "supporting terrorists" which the right went ahead and did anyway. As for the opinion about Gate and the cop, I'd call that early Presidential learning curve. At least he has proven he can learn.
- 5 votes
When did that happen?
I love it when IV demonstrates his inability to recognize adult behavior.
- 2 votes
Ever heard of the Supreme Court of the US?
Yeah smartass, ever heard of inalienable rights?
Take your third grade crap and move it along.
- 6 votes
Ever heard of the Supreme Court of the US?
Is Obama on the Supreme Court?
- 3 votes
The average American reads at the 6th grade level, so 99% of the people who read your post didn't even understand it. I am deducting points from your argument for attempting to appear intelligent, even though it's apparent you aren't familiar with the above statistic.
P.S. God isn't real. You'd get more mileage thanking the Easter Bunny.
What a laughable headline! All the conservatives predicted that the word "victory" would never appear in his speech and they were right! What the conservatives did say was that odumbo would never give GWB credit and they were right again! He follower GWB plans to the tee ( as in golf). His speech was a disaster! He really didn't say anything new that the American people didn't already know. It was just another diversion from the real problems we are facing without a leader!
- 4 votes
#5 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:16 AM EDTWhat the conservatives did say was that odumbo would never give GWB credit and they were right again!
Thank you for self-identifying as an immature imbecile. The 3rd-grade, 2nd -rate name calling makes it easier to ignore anything you say as complete trash.
- 17 votes
Under what definition can the Iraq war be called a victory? Any "victory" that was to be had was accomplished in the first few weeks with the toppling of the Hussein regime.
Since then it's been a slow, bloody, expensive crawl through the desert for no discernible strategic or tactical objective. Tell me what it was we hoped to accomplish from March of 2004 to the Present and our success in accomplishing it and then we can talk about "victory" but it seems to me that the only honest assessment of our success or failure in Iraq since Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" will be decades in coming and calling it a "victory" today would be premature and irresponsible.
This war ends not with a bang but a whimper. Pretending otherwise doesn't change the self evident truth.
- 16 votes
Killfile, you said "Since then it's been a slow, bloody, expensive crawl through the desert for no discernible strategic or tactical objective."
Not true, and my best guess would be that the Iraqi people that DO support our efforts there would disagree with your assessment. What has been gained during that time was, partially, addressed by the President during his speech. That time was spent helping the Iraqis root out many of the deeply rooted resistance elements and in training their military and their police how to intercede in these incursion with a minimal violation of the civil rights of the truly innocent.
It certainly did take a long time, I agree with you there. Many lives were lost and forever changed because of it. No denials there at all, and I personally wish that there were some way to turn back time and correct the errors but obviously, there is not. However, to say that there was "no discernible strategic or tactical objective" is to ignore those facts.
If we are to accurately judge Pres. Obama's leadership in this effort, it is going to come from how he leads us through the situation in Afghanistan.....not in following through on the path that was already laid out by the US military strategists prior to his ascension to the Presidency.
To President Obama's credit, he did do the intelligent thing by listening to them and not following the agenda of the extreme left. I hope he continues to show that level of strength and intelligence in the future efforts in Afghanistan.
To President Obama's credit, he did do the intelligent thing by listening to them and not following the agenda of the extreme left. I hope he continues to show that level of strength and intelligence in the future efforts in Afghanistan.
He should get us the hell out of Afghanistan before we spend another trillion $$$ +.
There is a clear lack of understanding of the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan among the general population here (surprised, no).
Iraq is a far more modern nation, by comparison, to Afghanistan. Afghanistan is much more Islamic fundamentalist (Sharia law) than Iraq. Iraq has much more in the way of profitable resources (oil) and is much more developed than Afghanistan.
I truly believe that the Iraqi situation is tenuous at best, and still think it may fall right back into sectarian violence once we have moved on. Wars fought over ideology are not settled by foreign invaders, and self-policing to keep the peace between Sunni, Shia and Kurd populations with a weak central govt likely will not work.
And let's not forget what the "surge" actually was. It was a bribe to warlords. It was boatloads of cash offered to militants to put the guns down. So while the situation there is somewhat stable now, just wait until there is a disputed election or some other match to ignite the powder keg.
I hope the Iraqis can hold it together and make it work. I however think the track record of nation building in the Middle East by various foreign invaders over the course of history suggests otherwise.
- 2 votes
Not true, and my best guess would be that the Iraqi people that DO support our efforts there would disagree with your assessment. What has been gained during that time was, partially, addressed by the President during his speech. That time was spent helping the Iraqis root out many of the deeply rooted resistance elements and in training their military and their police how to intercede in these incursion with a minimal violation of the civil rights of the truly innocent.
All of which may be true but if so, then the success or failure of those efforts will be judged in the decades to come, not today. So again, our view of things today can hardly be called a "victory" in any meaningful sense.
- 3 votes
Thank you for self-identifying as an immature imbecile. The 3rd-grade, 2nd -rate name calling makes it easier to ignore anything you say as complete trash.
Oh, the irony...
Not true, and my best guess would be that the Iraqi people that DO support our efforts there would disagree with your assessment.
Who would that be? The corrupt oligarchs in power? The average citizen who had to live through the horror? The people who lost loved ones to a savage, indiscriminate war?
To think we didn't do more harm than good is to exist in a fantasy land. Do you typically deal with a boil on your foot by hacking off your leg with a dull, rusty meat cleaver?
All of which may be true but if so, then the success or failure of those efforts will be judged in the decades to come, not today.
Yeah - in the form of blowback. "I just don't understand why they would attack us - we're peaceful, freedom loving America"....
- 2 votes
The funniest thing about all of this is that the only thing currently showing about the speech on the NV frontpage is this seed.
And it's not even about the speech, but about Obama outsmarting Sarah Palin.
*Shaking head and chuckling.*
- 7 votes
#8 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:28 AM EDTDoesn't appear to be much to outsmarting $arah! My 9 year old grandbaby wouln't have much trouble with that.....no problem with a Harvard Law Grad (magna cum laude, who also TAUGHT Constitutional law) against Sally who got her BA in communications
- 3 votes
That's not fair devilsadvocates, she was also second runner up in that beauty padget.
- 4 votes
Your 9 year old isn't a national celebrity with mountains of cash rolling in every minute. Therefore, no, your 9 year old isn't smarter. Not unless you can show me evidence your grandbaby is adept at fooling stupid American voters into electing her to a governorship. Keep telling yourself whatever it takes to sleep at night. The dumbest politicians are smarter than the smartest voters. That's a fact. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Palin, Reid, Pelosi, McConnel, Graham and all the other puppeteers in Washington make the average citizen look like clueless twits. How else would you explain their return to office every election? Are there any vacancies in the fantasyland you live in? I'd love to move there.
Act2 when you sneeze, say, "pardon"; manners maketh man, remember?
#9 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
Comment collapsed by the community Comment collapsed by the communityyou a reporter all right the way to take care of ME is to collapse ME. THANK YOU .
- 1 vote
COH#1, MartinEZ. You're being trolled that that sucks but that was over the line.
ZZZZZ- Just another liberal newsvine writer bringing up Palin instead of talking about THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES- Do you libs realize how foolish you are making yourselves look by continously bringing up Palin?
- 6 votes
#10 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDTI'm a political writer and politics needs two sides. Palin is the closest thing the GOP has to a national leader right now so... there you are then.
- 16 votes
palin holds no office but drives you wing nuts crazy . youre a political what? you need to have both sides to be that.
- 5 votes
youre a political what? you need to have both sides to be that.
Says someone with the username "PalinBeck2012." Right.
- 15 votes
Comment collapsed by the communityWhat of Boehner? What of Mitt Romney? Newt Gingrich?Tim Pawlenty?
You insistent posts and stories about Palin only show how afraid you are of her.
- 4 votes
What of Boehner? What of Mitt Romney? Newt Gingrich?Tim Pawlenty?
Politics is about media and media is about buzz. I've posted stories about all those people but they're not capturing the imagination of the populist Right right now and so they're not terribly important to the politics of the moment.
Yes, maybe later on they'll matter but right now Sarah Palin is a more significant political force and thus she gets the media attention.
I'm sorry that the closest thing the GOP has come to a "thinking man's Republican" is getting sidelined by Caribou Barbie but those are the breaks.
- 12 votes
Caribou barbie?
Wow - great post- Full of information and facts and oh wait - It was just another childish post from a "intelligent liberal" who is above name calling right? Remind me if you do not mind but if all of your posts and those on your side are full of name calling and childish comments then why are you always saying conservatives are fear mongers and full of hate? D o you ever read your own posts and then ask yourself who is full of hate for others?
- 3 votes
thank you im proud of that name are you proud to be a kool aid drinker and a sheep following old bozo?
Projection.
A more apt username would be NoValue.
- 9 votes
Caribou barbie?
Yes, I was eluding to your own insinuation that she was beneath notice and newsworthiness. I figured I could set that off in a subordinate clause or use a well-traveled phrase from the 2008 campaign (you'll recall it featured on Saturday Night Live) to sum up the criticism.
Note the contrast in the sentence between "thinking man's Republican" and "Caribou Barbie." I'm not calling names; it's a commentary on differing public persona.
- 4 votes
For those of you who wonder why the twitter tw@t is always brought up, it is because she is in the news every day, speaking for the republican party. The leaders of the republican party appear to be Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and Gingrich for the most part. If you don't like it, please find a new one. Please.
- 3 votes
Note the contrast in the sentence between "thinking man's Republican" and "Caribou Barbie."
I never thought I'd live to see the day when I desperately wished William F. Buckley was still around. Someone needs to manage the GOP Romper Room...
- 4 votes
are you proud to be a kool aid drinker and a sheep following old bozo?
Don't do this. Screen-name digs are usually silly, but this one kinda had a point, and regardless, don't break the first rule on the site.
PALINBECK2012, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
- 1 vote
Tyler, I would appreciate your taking a look at post 3.3, which was restored even though it too was a screen-name dig that was even more insulting. I do recall being reprimanded for this myself and I am not allowed to retaliate which would be my preferred course.
- 2 votes
Sarah Palin is now faced with hiding another of her children ... the returning son with the criminal record.
What's a psycho-babbling Mother to do ...???
- 2 votes
#11 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDTwhat are you mother of the year?
We've now come to this, even from Palin worshippers: damning by faint praise. A year or two ago, Palinophiles were actually protraying her as not just MotY but of the millenium and ATGME!!* The Palin shine has certainly tarnished itself.
*All Time Greatest Woman Evarrr!!
- 4 votes
her mothering skills are rubbing off on her daughter.....how old is Bristols baby? and she is not at home taking care of this kid but off at Dancing with the stars. these people preach family values but I have not seen anything traditional about Palins family.
- 6 votes
these people preach family values but I have not seen anything traditional about Palins family.
I don't know - for those of us who've spent time in a trailer park, it seems faintly familiar.
- 2 votes
Palin assumed that Obama would be taking a victory lap tonight,
And we know what she assumed..how?
- 2 votes
#13 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:49 AM EDTI too have some suggestions for the president. President Obama, please show grace, humility and some honesty before the American people tonight. Please don't declare "Mission Accomplished" and then saunter away with an assumption that your opposition to the Iraq strategy was key to our troops' success. Please end the political posturing. Admit you were wrong about the surge. Recognize what our brave armed forces have achieved. Admit that the strategy long advocated by Republicans, proposed by President Bush, led by Generals Petraeus and Odierno, and executed by thousands of America's finest – our brave men and women in uniform – brought violence under control and made responsible withdrawals possible. The more honest you are about the past, the more likely it is you will gain the support of the American people for your Iraq policy in the future. We need to be able to trust the White House war strategy, as our children's future depends on it. Being honest with us tonight is a good starting point in building trust.
- 10 votes
Sorry killfile but only to liberals like yourself is it "not that difficult" .
You read what you want to read and make out what she meantto further your agenda. It is clear to any who have an open mind.
- 2 votes
Being honest with us tonight is a good starting point in building trust
He should have started his Presidency by building trust...but had he be a Senator...long enough, to build trust, he might had the trust of the American people...but since he was more focused on His agenda that most Americans dont want, and his vacations. But on a more positive note Obama kept his Chicago acceptance speech promise...8 to 9 minutes in where he said we wont get this done in one year or one term...he is keeping that promise.
Sorry killfile but only to liberals like yourself is it "not that difficult".
Really? So only left-wingers would take the following phrase and conclude from it that Palin assumed that Obama might do this?
Please don't declare "Mission Accomplished" and then saunter away with an assumption that your opposition to the Iraq strategy was key to our troops' success.
I mean... if she didn't think he'd do that, why bother writing it? She didn't write "please don't give the entire speech standing on your head." One can reasonably presume that she'd only address the possibilities she thought were likely.
Or is it the interpretation of such a strut as a "victory lap" that you disagree with?
- 12 votes
So for the sake of argument, I will assume you are correct.
Obama is now making policy and speeches designed to anticipate what Palin might or might not do.
I find that amazing for a sitting President.
- 3 votes
Obama is now making policy and speeches designed to anticipate what Palin might or might not do.
I find that amazing for a sitting President.
Again, post hoc ergo proctor hoc. Just because Palin made an incorrect prediction that doesn't mean that Obama necessarily saw said prediction and changed his course of action because of it.
By that logic I can claim to be your puppet-master when I write "IndependentVoter will experience a sudden change of heart and become a radical left wing liberal."
When you fail to do so it's because you changed your mind out of personal dislike for me. Tada! I'm controlling you!
- 8 votes
Killfile
Translation: We can assume what Palin was assuming, but we are not allowed to make any kind of determination what the community organizer was thinking.
Got it.
- 2 votes
Obama is now making policy and speeches designed to anticipate
LOL. What a shameless moving of the goal posts. She posted that after the speech was written. But way to keep the rhetoric flowing.
- 1 vote
Translation: We can assume what Palin was assuming...
Correction: We're not making an assumption as to what Palin was assuming. We know what she was assuming and we know that it was wrong.
- 4 votes
We know what she was assuming and we know that it was wrong.
Mind reader...join the circus
- 2 votes
"You read what you want to read and make out what she meantto further your agenda"
Absolutely hysterical, you call someone else out for doing EXACTLY what you do?!
- 3 votes
We know what she was assuming and we know that it was wrong.Mind reader...join the circus
No, just a reader. But discussions like these are leading me to believe that basic literacy might render me a circus freak in right-wing circles.
- 6 votes
whew glad that's over....no more troops being shot at...geez Obama your the great and wonderful Oz!
- 2 votes
#14 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:52 AM EDTI haven't had a chance to check the Presidents, speech.
I have read the some summary from here. Thanks. I am for Palin and Beck. I am Glen Beck had the 8/28 honor rally. I am listening to whatever is out there. and trying to make sense of it all. It is not easy.
If all of us want someone to hear what we have to say and stand up for it, then do something about it. Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are doing it.
- 2 votes
#15 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:02 AM EDTizzeemee,
What are they proposing to fix America's problems?
- 5 votes
Jumpmaster.....that's easy to answer for anybody that actually bothered to watch the rally.....and to say they is not correct. It was mostly about what Beck believes is the answer.
That is a return....on both sides of the aisle and in the hearts of all Americans, to return to Judeo-Christian values. And if you do not believe in God, then to return to a fair-minded and equal treatment of others. Despite your religious beliefs, or lack thereof, following "The Golden Rule" of "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is exactly what he means. Anybody can try to do that.....regardless of belief systems.
All Americans would benefit from that......
Sorry for the hijack response! Back to the topic at hand.......
- 2 votes
DLMaston
I watched Beck switch to a kinder gentler tone and I appreciate that. But the golden rule will not fix the current fiscal problems of this nation, neither in national debt, personal debt or corporate debt that lead us to the moment.
I do agree it would be better to down with all parties smiling at each other vs the total discord we currently share.
But the President said it right, with the current withdrawal of troops, we should save some money.
What are they proposing to fix America's problems?
HONOR!! if republicans have problems, they'll just dump a couple barrels of honor over it and cover it with an american flag until it clots and scabs. sharron angle wants to kill medicare and social security and bring back prohibition? dumpster fulla honor.
Republicans honor america. when america offered republicans her honor, republicans said they would honor her offer but the truth is it's been honor and offer, offer and honor ever since.
- 1 vote
Palin assumed that Obama would be taking a victory lap tonight, but she could not have been more wrong, she assumed that Obama would be dishonest and not give Bush or the troops credit.
The assumption is that Palin said Obama would not do the right thing.....all we can say for sure is once during his Presidency ...he gave credit where credit was due...thata shows the power Palin has....apparently she can manipulate the President in to telling the truth......now lets see if she can get him to sit down with an accountant and balance a budget.
- 1 vote
#16 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:10 AM EDTthata shows the power Palin has....apparently she can manipulate the President in to telling the truth
Wow.
Post hoc ergo proctor hoc much?
- 6 votes
What else would you expect from billy? He's the one who firmly believes the Democratic Party is racist because the party opposed emancipation in the 1860s.
- 5 votes
"Outsmarting" Palin is not something I would brag about. I can also trick my dog by pretending to throw a ball...it doesn't mean much.
I thought the speech was alright. I'm not ready to start patting ourselves on the back just yet. We still have 50,000 troops there. And the troops that are "coming home" are going to turn right back around and head to Afghanistan.
Lets not forget that the combat mission that ended should never have started to begin with.
- 2 votes
Just could not control yourself huh? Had to make fun of Palin ? You lose any and all credibility when the first thing from your post is comparing Palin to a dog- I thought liberals were the party of tolerance and that Republicans were the arty of fear ,name calling and hate?
- 2 votes
I didn't compare Palin to a dog. I compared the act of outsmarting her to the act of outsmarting a dog.
You lose all credibility...well, I doubt you had any to begin with.
- 7 votes
Nice try Consider it but you cannot now go back and try and say that you were not making a childish comment about Palin- Why are you so terrified of her anyways?
- 2 votes
I never compared her to a dog, I never said I wasn't making a joke, and I never said I was terrified of her. It's like I don't even need to be here to have a conversation with you. You are more than willing to fill in my side for me.
How is it that you read comments, do you just do a keyword search? I now see why EVERYBODY on this thread disagrees with you; you are are making up both sides of the conversation.
Is there anything else I've said that I'm not aware of?
- 6 votes
""Outsmarting" Palin is not something I would brag about. I can also trick my dog by pretending to throw a ball...it doesn't mean much."
Only a liberal like yourself would make the above statement and then say i was not comparing Palin to a dog .
- 2 votes
and then say i was not comparing Palin to a dog .
Well, if not comparing her to a dog, then was it the ball?
- 1 vote
You seem to have a thing against liberals. You keep bringing it up over and over again. It makes it very difficult to talk about a particular subject when you are constantly having to defend an ideology.
Yes, Obama did make Palin look dumb. Yes, he did outsmart her. And yes, I did make a joke about that not being very hard to do. I could have also used monkey's and shiny objects; but I wouldn't want to distract you any more than you already are.
- 7 votes
Lets see manfromboston: Odumbo yada yada yada by you out of control Palinistas is perfectly fine? Seems to me that you PRESIDENT OBAMA haters have cornered the market on name calling and hate!!
- 4 votes
I am sorry but where in any of my posts did i say anything childish like comparing Obama to an animal? NOWHERE but nice try
As for monkeys- Be careful because remember it is only ok to comare Bush to amonkey but if you say Obama and monkey in same sentence than you are a racist right Libs?
- 2 votes
Who is talking about Bush? Who is talking about racism? You are all over the place. ADHD is a serious disorder but very treatable. You should get checked out.
- 7 votes
I simply made reference to your ludicrous statement about monkeys and shiny objects and YOUR statement about Palin and a dog- My point(lost on you obviously) is that you have no problem coming on threads and making childish comments about conservatives yet anytime any conservative makes a similar comment about a liberal then they are racist right? Go read thru the thread on here
Palin has been called all of the following
sow
compared to a dog
someone mentioned her child
someone else called her "palin creature"
You liberals have a real problem with her don't you? Why not just let her be? Why is it ok to sit on here and call her names all day and then other libs on here say that conservatives are full of hate?
- 2 votes
If anybody has an obsession with Palin it's you. I made a harmless joke and then went on with my point in the comment. You zeroed in on that joke, ignored the comment, and have not let up since.
Palin jokes are fun, I enjoy them, I like making them and I like reading them. Are you telling me you and your conservative buddies have never made jokes about Obama or Biden? Of course you have. (I'm assuming you have something resembling a sense of humor).
Give it a rest.
- 3 votes
Your joke was the first line in your post - Needlessly comparing Palin to a dog(no matter how many times you try to say you did not)
Yes we make fun of Obama but when we make jokes we are called racists and hate mongers .
Why are we called the party of hate when by your own admissin you do the exact same thing?
- 2 votes
You should write an article on that very subject. I'll be more than happy to head that way and explain to you why I consider the modern-day republican party to be slightly more than hateful and racist.
However, this thread is about Obama's speech and how he "pretended to throw the ball" so to speak.
Damn, I should have worked something in there about Palin running into sliding glass doors...It's always after that you think of the good stuff.
- 4 votes
Or maybe i could have thrown something in there about Obama's great understanding of the "austrian" language?
- 1 vote
Yes, Obama did make Palin look dumb
When did Obama do this? When he was in the 57th state?
- 4 votes
If the only gaffe you've got from Obama is two years old I think you're only proving his intelligence and competence.
- 6 votes
"Austrian" "57th State" See guys; jokes a fun.
You have to go back and read Palin's facebook page to understand how Obama closed the sliding glass door. *smack*.
Or you could just read the article presented.
- 3 votes
If you think that is the only one....where have you been living?
- 3 votes
OK....Man from Boston.....I will take this one...I will compare Palin to a dog. you can throw anything and a dog will run after it, even if it were bad for it. The point of this article was/is she assumed something would be in Obamas speech, and it wasn't, however for you guys to feel she was right you think he change his speech because of her. if you guys are chasing that ball...Im comparing you to dogs too.
- 4 votes
if you guys are chasing that ball...Im comparing you to dogs too.
Like dogs, I don't think they understand.
Hours before Palin's post, and before the President's address, the draft of the speech had been released and was being discussed extensively.
Of course Palin et al missed that.
- 4 votes
Why are you so terrified of her anyways?
Where do you get the notion we are terrified of her? I wouldn't say I am terrified of her. Amused and disgusted. Fear only comes into it when I think of the mindless sheeple who think she has something positive to offer the country.
Consider It, regarding the Palin dog comparison:
Consider It, I don't believe that it is right to compare Palin to a dog.
She's not that smart; a dog has a much higher level of intelligence then Palin,
and so the comparison is offensive to dogs.
What's the matter with you Consider It!!! - do you hate dogs?
:)
- 1 vote
Yes izzeemee--why are you commenting if you have not checked the presidents speech?
You best go to FAUX for your FACTS and get back to us all!!
- 2 votes
#18 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDTOr to go MSNBC and Chris Matthews will tell you how he got a shiver up his leg listening to Obama
- 2 votes
Manfromboston--thats funny I remember Palin comparing herself to a Pitbull--Put that in your pipe!
- 4 votes
I do not have a pipe - What is your point anyways? Or do you not have one?
- 1 vote
She is also a mama grizzlie....Bears are procine...so what does that make her? A sow??? LOL
- 5 votes
Great post eggberta- Do you teach your children to call names like that? Or are you a child ?
- 3 votes
Oh waht's the matter killfile? Do not like other people's opinions that do not agree with you? Do you only like name calling by the left ?You can give it out but cannot take it? Is that the problem?
- 3 votes
hey man from boston don't disagree with seeder he WIll collapse you. THIS WILL BE IT FOR ME TODAY ILL GET BACK TO THIS REPORTER NOV.3 AND MUNK WITH HIM.
- 1 vote
The seeder can't collapse comments; he can only delete them. If your comments have been collapsed it's because the Newsvine community as a whole has found your so overwhelmingly shallow, vapid, and poorly informed that they've acted as a group to try to "prune the vine" so-to-speak.
- 5 votes
THE "newsvine" community as a whole? Meaning the liberals on here?
- 3 votes
see manFROMBOSTON the answer them gardeners are pruning. when they cant answer question they start name calling. i wish i was half as smart as this reporter? thinks he is. MAKES ME FILL GREAT IM IN THE HATE GROUP WITH PALIN. were does all this loving they have for their fellow man must be @!$%# has to run down my leg first.
- 1 vote
He does impress himself with his posting -He likes to use phrases like "Post hoc ergo proctor hoc" .
He impresses the hell out of himself.
- 3 votes
manfrom boston have we got 57 states ? did old bozo buy usens some? he impressing the hell out of me to hes a pol. reporter remember.
- 1 vote
MAKES ME FILL GREAT IM IN THE HATE GROUP WITH PALIN. were does all this loving
Damn! Nap time?
- 4 votes
He does impress himself with his posting -He likes to use phrases like "Post hoc ergo proctor hoc" .
If the conversation here at the adults' table is too much for you to follow I'm sure we can get you a sippy cup and find a Disney movie for you to watch, sweetie.
- 7 votes
No i am good but thanks for the offer- So when you and friends are out that is how you talk is it? I admit i am not the intellsctual snobby type who would ever use those types of phrases. But you are an intellect so you and your liberal buddies do probably sit around and tell each other how brilliant you are. Way to go
- 1 vote
Actually, yes, my friends and I do tend to have conversations that make use of our respective educations. My wife holds a PhD; I can't imagine she'd get much out of her social life if she had to dumb everything down to an 8th grade reading level.
- 1 vote
Nor does she have patience for anyone who considers ignorance a virtue.
- 1 vote
Some people can feel emotion for President Obama--You Foxers only feel spite and HATE!!!
- 6 votes
#20 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDTKevin- Do you wear your tin foil hat all day or only at night ?
- 2 votes
Some people can feel emotion for President Obama
Do you get leg shivers also? LOL
- 3 votes
NPR even had Douglas Feiff (sp?--the man Gen.Tommy Franks called the dumbest mothersomething on the planet or words to that effect) on to comment on the speech
last night and all he could come up with, seriously, was that President Obama didn't say the word democracy enough. That Gen. Franks is one sharp judge of intelligence.
- 4 votes
#21 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDTHey beanie(mfb) do you wear your FAUX news hat in public??--On the liberal streets of Boston?
Oh and about my POINT--you sure can dish it out can`t you!--Can`t take much though,HUH?
- 3 votes
#23 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:04 AM EDTHow can i not take it exactly?
Yes i do wear whatever i want wherever i want because liberals are all for differing opinions are they not? Are you saying that as a conservative i should be afraid around liberals?
- 1 vote
Are you saying that as a conservative i should be afraid around liberals?
just as afraid as you think us liberals should be of Palin.
- 2 votes
What would have made me happy is if President Obama had said he called former President Dubya Bush yesterday and told him he was ending the clusterf*ck he started in Iraq AND that he had contacted The Hague and agreed to extradite him for war crimes!
Now THAT would have made me happy!
- 7 votes
#26 - Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:24 AM EDT25.3
I don't know about orange, but in AZ the color is pink.
- 1 vote
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