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It Only Took Eight Years and a Democrat In the White House for Republicans to Care About Exit Strategies and the Cost of War

Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:53 PM EDT
politics, obama, white-house, iraq, bush, gop, republican, george-w-bush, eric-cantor, cantor, cost-of-war
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An article published in The Hill this afternoon indicates that Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor feels "left out" by the Obama administration's lack of Congressional consultation prior to launching airstrikes against Libya.  According to the article, Cantor told asked “Where is the leadership, what is the endgame here, where is Washington taking us?"

Those are legitimate questions and Congress should ask them whenever the White House commits US troops to battle.  

But before anyone pats Mr Cantor on the back for his diligent efforts to keep the White House honest, we might look back on his record on similar issues in the past.


That record is less than stellar.  Cantor largely opposed congressional efforts to bring the Bush administration to heel in its open-ended commitment in Iraq, voting against The Iraq Transition Act and the Responsible Redeployment from Iraq Act, both of which called upon the White House to set formal timetables for the withdrawal of US troops from the region and calling Democratic rhetoric on the topic "irresponsible."

The Libyan campaign which Mr Cantor so sharply criticizes is literally days old and had the Majority Leader made the above comments and votes shortly after the Iraq invasion his apparent change of tone might be attributed to the wisdom of years.  Unfortunately for Mr Cantor, that is not the case.  The votes and comments detailed above came, not in 2004 but in 2008 -- when the financial cost of the Iraq war had long since passed half a trillion dollars and nearly 4,000 Americans lay dead in Iraqi desert.  

By comparison, Mr Obama's Libyan adventure has thus far cost the United States a handful of cruise missiles, a single lost fighter, and no lives and the entire operation has been financed out of the Pentagon's standing cash reserves.  

It is well and good that Mr Cantor and other Republicans have suddenly taken an interest in the significance of Congressional oversight, the cost of war, and the importance of an exit strategy -- it is merely a pity that it took a eight years and a Democrat in the White House to pique their interest.  

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Killfile

The problem with the Republican base is they seem to have no conception of circumstance and context. I blame the Republican base here, rather than Cantor and his elected ilk because this kind of crap wouldn't work if the base didn't buy it.

It takes an unusual level of pig-headed ignorance to buy into the idea that Obama's extraordinarily limited air campaign against Libya requires Congressional oversight but President Bush's much larger, costlier, and bloodier campaign against Iraq did not.

And yes, that's exactly what the Republican position is, as evidenced by the voting record.

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:58 PM EDT
Brandon-801865

The headline says it all...although I would add "Black" before President, to account for many in the Party of No and Teathuglicons.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:17 PM EDT
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Fed up with Republicans

I think it goes beyond that, I think that in 2003 that most of the Republicans and even the Democrats that voted to support the invasion and occupation of Iraq were too afraid to oppose Bush and have him and Cheney make them appear to be cowards by refusing to defend the homeland.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:10 PM EDT
Roland Sanchez

I would rather use the missles and bombs on a live target than firing them in practice. It all cost the same.

    Reply#3 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT
    Roland Sanchez

    I would rather live next to a Muslim than a republican especially a red neck.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:58 PM EDT
    Bob Nelson.

    Now all we need is for an Independant to start a Middle East war... and EVERYONE will be on board!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
    Carla-709738

    Along with the author's point in this article, I also agree with "Fed Up". I consider myself an Independent politically and though I'm not a wild fan of Obama's, and certainly was not of Bush, a point to be made here in reply to Fed Up is that Obama was one of the very few who stood up and opposed the war in Iraq. I made note of that at the time, especially since when he voiced his primary reason why, it was the same as mine -- that being that we were already deeply involved in Afganistan and we weren't being very successful in that war -- American lives were being lost, many wounded and disabled, AND we were spending billions and billions of dollars that our govt (WE the taxpayers!) did not have to spend.

    It would have made much more sense to have kept our eye on Iraq/Hussein, but not to have gotten involved there until the business had been taken care of in Afganistan. Once we had beaten down the terrorists/religious extremists and achieved what we needed to in Afganistan, we would, hopefully, if done right, have been left with a friendly ally in the region and been able to have a safe base of operation there which would have greatly strengthened our position in the area. IF it then became necessary (in FACT!) to deal with Iraq, we'd have been well situated and better prepared to do so. Why didn't we do what was logical? Well, to figure that out, follow the egos, the politics, and, of course, the MONEY -- always the money!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
    marvin in Boston

    Eric Cantor is a little shicksa who is enjoying his temporary status as cheerleader for the boner. Nothing he or his fellow neo-cons say should be taken seriously. But, if they attempt to subvert the votes of the many hispanics and blacks like Karl Rove did in 2004, there will be people in the streets just like in Wisconsin.

    I'm tired of hearing that we are too broke to build jobs, while these hypocrites can always find money to make war. I wish their kids could be sent to the front lines. Then, you'd see a flip-flop!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT
    lsjcmaDeleted
    IndependentAmerican2892850

    At least the GOP leadership's hypocrisy is consistent.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
    Joe Mont

    And the Dem.leadership is non-existent.

    • 2 votes
    #9.1 - Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT
    IndependentAmerican2892850

    And hope and change are ever distant...

    • 3 votes
    #9.2 - Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
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    JayTee-3231157

    Actually, the Exit Strategy for ANY War is "WIN". Its the Liberals that want to KMA (Kinetic Military Action), or when the Enemy says Kiss My A...., the Liberals ask "How often".

      Reply#10 - Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT
      Bob Nelson.

      This particular bleeding-heart liberal, who is also a US Army combat veteran, says " YOU can kiss MY ass!"

      • 5 votes
      #10.1 - Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:47 AM EDT
      JayTee-3231157

      Viet Nam Vets are experienced in this type of .... of.....Reaction.

      GOE, 3/17/2007, Search on YouTube.....KMA.

      • 1 vote
      #10.2 - Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT
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      Amir Carr

      I can't go so far as to validate the Libya operation, but certainly you have a point.

      Unfortunately as Presidents have come and gone, the wars themselves have remained. My concern is that when Obama is gone the public will still be sending our sons and daughters into these same deserts.

      This goes back to fundamental problems that have transcended party affiliation but plague American politics: the use of Executive war powers.

      During the 08 elections however the Obama ticket harped on the need for less "tomahawk diplomacy" and more "real" diplomacy (whatever that is). Where did that guy go?

      nice article, definitely thought provoking

      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:11 AM EDT
      JayTee-3231157

      It only took a Democrat President for Democrats to forget about Exit Strategies, while trying to invent a new name for War (KMA)

      • 2 votes
      Reply#12 - Sat Apr 2, 2011 8:16 PM EDT
      Amir Carr

      If i vote at all this year, it will be as an Independent, and i might even vote for the Huckster! What do we have to lose?

      • 1 vote
      #12.1 - Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:45 AM EDT
      G. H.

      Ummm......................EVERYTHING???? Starting with PERSONAL freedom!

      • 2 votes
      #12.2 - Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:02 AM EDT
      Amir Carr

      your probably right....(sigh)

      • 1 vote
      #12.3 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:09 AM EDT
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      miley-3898681

      Seems interesting and comments are interesting too.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#13 - Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:45 AM EDT
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